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With so many buyers, should we sell high?

Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:41 am
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
6516 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:41 am
Not a popular opinion, but this team is clearly not ready to win it all.

Should we sell high on someone like Herb in this buyers' market and then use the warchest for a true stud next year to put us over the top?

Have to think reality will sink in for some of these wannabe teams that think they can content but really can't by next year.
Posted by Louisianabound88
BR
Member since Dec 2016
3068 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:47 am to
Only zion is untouchable imo. If someone would highly over pay for BI I’d listen
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
22996 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:49 am to
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Not a popular opinion, but this team is clearly not ready to win it all.



Not sure how you can come to that conclusion when Zion and BI only played 10 games together.
Posted by BamaPelican
Member since Apr 2022
425 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:59 am to
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Should we sell high on someone like Herb in this buyers' market and then use the warchest for a true stud next year to put us over the top?


IMO the Pels should always be open to buying or selling…you can win a trade both ways.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110490 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:00 pm to
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Should we sell high on someone like Herb in this buyers' market and then use the warchest for a true stud next year to put us over the top?

The question is if it's just Herb or just a guy like Naji, what are you going to trade him for?

They're not going to fetch high level draft picks so your absolute best bet is you're trading them for the unlikely chance you get a player later in a draft that turns out to be as good as they are.
This post was edited on 2/2/23 at 12:02 pm
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
14066 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:06 pm to
If we cannot make a move to upgrade, we shouldn’t sell anything.
Posted by Dinky Mulberry
Member since Aug 2021
1834 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:07 pm to
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Should we sell high on someone like Herb


Moving Herb may or may not be a good move...but I don't see how we could be selling him "high" considering ALL his offensive numbers are substantially down this year, compared to last year.

FG% down to 44.1% from 47.6% last year
eFG% down to 49.3% from 52.5%
3-pt% down to 29.6% from 34.6% (counting playoffs)
FT% down to 76.1% from 84.0%

Plus, many folks feel his overall defense has fallen off this year, compared to last year.
This post was edited on 2/2/23 at 12:12 pm
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
10230 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:08 pm to
Their salaries are so miniscule that the only reason they even think about doing it is to attach them as valued assets in a big trade package.

There's no reason to actively look to trade these productive guys who are getting paid peanuts and fit the culture to a T.

We have to make upgrades but need to avoid losing these good cheap players if they don't have to be included in deals.

Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110490 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:13 pm to
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Their salaries are so miniscule that the only reason they even think about doing it is to attach them as valued assets in a big trade package.

There's no reason to actively look to trade these productive guys who are getting paid peanuts and fit the culture to a T.

We have to make upgrades but need to avoid losing these good cheap players if they don't have to be included in deals.

Bingo

I don't see how you make a player upgrade so you're really just looking at draft picks. They don't have enough value for a high draft pick, so then you get a low draft pick with a minuscule chance that the pick ever turns into a Herb or Naji.

It just doesn't work out, trading these types of guys as the main piece and like you said, as part of a package.
Posted by BamaPelican
Member since Apr 2022
425 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:18 pm to
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There's no reason to actively look to trade these productive guys who are getting paid peanuts and fit the culture to a T.


You don’t have to look to actively sell, but no one should be off limits. The worst you can do is get an offer you don’t like and say no, or counter with something that would make you want to move.

You are 100% right on the value of those 2nd round finds…they should have significant positive value and only get traded as such (no way you trade a 2nd round find for just another second round pick, but at some point there is value…is it 1 unprotected first, 2 first…idk, but there is a price for sure)
This post was edited on 2/2/23 at 12:21 pm
Posted by Dinky Mulberry
Member since Aug 2021
1834 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:44 pm to
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I don't see how you make a player upgrade so you're really just looking at draft picks. They don't have enough value for a high draft pick, so then you get a low draft pick with a minuscule chance that the pick ever turns into a Herb or Naji.

It just doesn't work out, trading these types of guys as the main piece and like you said, as part of a package.


This time of year, "buyers" are looking for players that can immediately improve their chances for the upcoming playoffs. Our relatively "cheap" players with solid potential (Trey, Dyson and Herb) would not "fit" what a contender in this year's playoffs would be looking to pick up, for immediate playoff help. (Other than Herb, possibly...on the defensive end ONLY)

So, I just see little to no way we could get decent value from moving any of those players at this time. Of course, you ALWAYS listen...in case somebody comes with some insane offer. We have MANY players I could see us moving...just not one of those 3...for reasons that have already been noted in earlier posts. JMO
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
6516 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:54 pm to
Would you take a Donovan Mitchell package for BI?

That trade seems like a win-win for both teams. Jazz got picks and Markaanen. Cleveland gets an All Star.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110490 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:06 pm to
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Would you take a Donovan Mitchell package for BI?

Of course, but CLE would never consider it.

Mitchell is better than Ingram, by a decent margin too.
This post was edited on 2/2/23 at 1:07 pm
Posted by Aussie_Pelican
Melbourne
Member since Oct 2016
1193 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:10 pm to
You clearly didn't read that did you?
He said Mitchell package, not trade for Mitchell.
Posted by Dinky Mulberry
Member since Aug 2021
1834 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:15 pm to
quote:

Would you take a Donovan Mitchell package for BI?

That trade seems like a win-win for both teams. Jazz got picks and Markaanen. Cleveland gets an All Star


First thing...I think the Jazz got the best of that deal. I'm just not as high on DM as most folks are.

And...since I'm always trying to impress folks with my apparent stupidity, I WILL say I have been on record for quite a while now...saying I would have no problem with moving BI for a package involving Mikal Bridges.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
70436 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:15 pm to
quote:

Not sure how you can come to that conclusion when Zion and BI only played 10 games together.



Which means they are not guaranteed to play in the playoffs together. Also, this collapse likely means we're going to not going to have home court advantage at all, which is a problem.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110490 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:23 pm to
quote:

You clearly didn't read that did you?

I misread it, relax man.



But I would not, no chance. The odds of getting a guy like Markanaan who randomly blows up to a 25ppg is about as close to 0 as possible.

And we don't need more draft picks.
Posted by BamaPelican
Member since Apr 2022
425 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:25 pm to
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I think the Jazz got the best of that deal


I don’t think there is any doubt. Cleveland is happy because DM is playing well, so it isn’t a disaster for them, but the Jazz got both Markanan and Sexton (who’s per 36 as 6th man are almost exactly the same as DM with a little better shooting) plus a boatload of draft picks.

With Markanan looking like an All-star building block it’s a no brainer to me. The Jazz got a ton of picks and may actually be better overall already than they were with both DM and Gobert and haven’t used any of the picks yet.

If that’s the BI deal someone wants to throw the Pels way then let’s go.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
14066 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:26 pm to
quote:

Would you take a Donovan Mitchell package for BI?

I said a few weeks ago i would gauge interest around the league for him and see what teams would offer.

Not that i would trade him, but i would see if someone would give me a ridiculous offer.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110490 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:27 pm to
Neither team would take back that deal right now if they could, it worked out great for both.



Well, Ainge might because it made the Jazz too good and they're teetering on missing out on the Wemby sweepstakes.
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