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re: Willie Green
Posted on 3/27/24 at 2:24 pm to shel311
Posted on 3/27/24 at 2:24 pm to shel311
That's basically been my logic on JV all year. If Willie refuses to play, there's no point in retaining him. Go out there and grab a guy that he's willing to play like maybe a guy like Hartenstein. Willie clearly see JV as a liability and feels it too much of a burden to play him especially when games matter down the stretch like they do now and into the playoffs.
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Posted on 3/27/24 at 5:13 pm to shel311
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One of our best "sets" are giving the ball to Zion at the FT line. In the middle, near the basket. Good things happen when we do that.
AD says this on the broadcast EVERY GAME, ALL GAME... it's not a secret that we are very efficient with this set
Posted on 3/27/24 at 5:15 pm to chRxis
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AD says this on the broadcast EVERY GAME, ALL GAME... it's not a secret that we are very efficient with this set
Again if AD and everyone on this board notices this, how can a professional NBA Head Coach not know this???! Its mind boggling to me.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 6:15 pm to From Rice to Ingram
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The Pelicans best lineup this game was their starting group, which was never seen again after the first quarter. +8 in 6 minutes.
Their worst lineup this game was the starters + Larry. -14 in 11 minutes.
So our best lineup was our starting lineup and we never went back to it.
Everyone except Willie noticing lately how much of a liability Nance is, and Nance plus the starters are the worst lineup and gets basically twice as many minutes as the starting lineup.
The process is broken.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 6:18 pm to shel311
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So our best lineup was our starting lineup and we never went back to it. Everyone except Willie noticing lately how much of a liability Nance is, and Nance plus the starters are the worst lineup and gets basically twice as many minutes as the starting lineup. The process is broken.
At this point Griffin has to say something. If your guys above(Griff, and Trajan) you cant just ignore the ridiculous nature of what hes doing.
This post was edited on 3/30/24 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 3/30/24 at 7:06 pm to Pels_Yaz
Encouraged by the team defense the Pels are playing. Tatum\Brown hit tough shots and KP took advantage of a size mismatch. Unfortunately, Pels just couldn't score when the Celtics amped up defensive pressure after the first quarter. Getting BI back will help. Everyone's on Nance's case right now, but its really just the less or more of two evils.
If Val is playing, good teams will pick and roll him off the court (not all his fault he's always paired with a liability at the defensive point position). If Nance is playing, good teams will play over Larry. Really Coach Green is in a bad spot because even though it's dicey with Val/Nance, he for sure doesn't have anything behind them. I'm still beating a dead horse here, but it was Griff and Langdon doubling down on this combo at the deadline after signing only Where's Cody in the offseason that limits the Pels.
If Val is playing, good teams will pick and roll him off the court (not all his fault he's always paired with a liability at the defensive point position). If Nance is playing, good teams will play over Larry. Really Coach Green is in a bad spot because even though it's dicey with Val/Nance, he for sure doesn't have anything behind them. I'm still beating a dead horse here, but it was Griff and Langdon doubling down on this combo at the deadline after signing only Where's Cody in the offseason that limits the Pels.
This post was edited on 3/30/24 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 3/30/24 at 7:19 pm to Pistol44
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If Val is playing, good teams will pick and roll him off the court (not all his fault he's always paired with a liability at the defensive point position). If Nance is playing, good teams will play over Larry. Really Coach Green is in a bad spot because even though it's dicey with Val/Nance, he for sure doesn't have anything behind them.
Problem is this just not true man. JV minutes have been very positive despite his so called issues on defense. While Nance minutes have been negative. I don’t even think it’s a discussion JV should be playing just based stats, analytics and just overall how the team plays when hes on the floor.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 7:40 pm to Pels_Yaz
The team is stalling out on offense because they do not have players that can run an offense through them. Jonas can do that. We can’t sit Jonas with BI out. It is kind of silly it has been happening.
This post was edited on 3/30/24 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 3/30/24 at 7:45 pm to Colonel Flagg
We were simply out talented today. Tatum only needed to put up 23 points to win. Without Ingram and Jose, we simply didn't have enough offense to compete.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 7:58 pm to supe12sta12z
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Without Ingram and Jose, we simply didn't have enough offense to compete.
Yet with our starting unit we did but Willie just decided not to play that unit again the whole game. Im ok losing but im not ok losing without maximizing our lineups and players.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 8:03 pm to Pels_Yaz
Willie was very purposeful in his comments about going small.
It didn’t work. Doesn’t mean he’s an idiot.
BI would have helped a lot on the offensive end. Not just scoring, but attracting double teams.
It didn’t work. Doesn’t mean he’s an idiot.
BI would have helped a lot on the offensive end. Not just scoring, but attracting double teams.
This post was edited on 3/30/24 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 3/30/24 at 8:06 pm to VOR
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Willie was very purposeful in his comments about going small. It didn’t work. Doesn’t mean he’s an idiot.
Except that this is not first time he went with Nance over JV thinking it would work and it didn’t. And if you keep doing the same thing over and over again and it doesnt work- well you then become an idiot.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 8:15 pm to Pels_Yaz
Willie said in his post game presser that he goes with Nance to give more space to Zion.
Willie is watching a different game than the rest of us.
I called it out over and over and over in the game thread. When Nance was in, Porzingis had completely free will to only focus on helping on Zion without a care in the world that Nance would do anything.
I'd bet the bulk of that stretch in the middle of the game where Zion struggled were minutes with Nance.
Willie is watching a different game than the rest of us.
I called it out over and over and over in the game thread. When Nance was in, Porzingis had completely free will to only focus on helping on Zion without a care in the world that Nance would do anything.
I'd bet the bulk of that stretch in the middle of the game where Zion struggled were minutes with Nance.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 8:24 pm to shel311
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I called it out over and over and over in the game thread. When Nance was in, Porzingis had completely free will to only focus on helping on Zion without a care in the world that Nance would do anything. I'd bet the bulk of that stretch in the middle of the game where Zion struggled were minutes with Nance.
It was same thing vs Bucks. Lopez left Nance and doubled Zion. The only difference was Zion beat the double. Nance is just a negative on both sides of the ball. I’m just shocked do they not see this stuff on gametape in what teams are doing????
Posted on 3/30/24 at 9:01 pm to Pels_Yaz
Jonas is just a much better offensive player and they can not totally ignore him. I don’t get it. How does Nance give more space to Zion? Jonas is a better scorer in every way compared to Nance. Nance’s benefit is being a potentially better defender and the ability to switch. Saying you are playing Nance to create offensive space for Zion is just stupid.
If Willie is playing Nance for offensive reasons that is just dumb.
If Willie is playing Nance for offensive reasons that is just dumb.
This post was edited on 3/30/24 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 3/30/24 at 9:03 pm to Colonel Flagg
I'm fine with the logic. But the issue is JV still rots on the bench even when Zion isn't in the game.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 9:07 pm to supe12sta12z
I have to think we have lost any possibility of bringing Jonas back next season.
This post was edited on 3/30/24 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 3/31/24 at 3:14 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Problem is this just not true man. JV minutes have been very positive despite his so called issues on defense
I think more a case of recency bias. What is abundantly clear is that good teams will give the Pels a heavy dose of efficient pick-and-rolls. Coach Green's Pels have not had an effective counter to this in his tenure. To avoid this, Coach Green has deferred to Nance in the lineups (for better or worse). Had Val played extended minutes yesterday Brown/Tatum/KP/Horford would have had more of a field day. Val will be slotted against big posts ... Nurcic, Joker, Zubac.
Posted on 3/31/24 at 3:21 pm to Pistol44
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I think more a case of recency bias.
JV this season has a plus/minus of 174 and Nance is 84. This is not recency bias, JV has been better than Nance in every category this season including defense. This theory that JV struggles in defense and Larry is better is completely untrue and part of the problem.
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