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re: Willie Green
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:19 am to tibebecolston
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:19 am to tibebecolston
quote:Do you not remember being down 20 in the 3rd, then cutting that lead all the way down to I think 4?
When was CJ hot? I recall him making 2 shots in a row after missing 10-11 in a row, many that were just awful decisions but never recall him being hot.
He started the 2nd half 5 for 5.
That's pretty darn hot.
quote:It wasn't if you see that Willie isn' scheming for Zion, and Zion(who even admitted it) wasn't fighting to go and get the ball.
The hero ball he was playing in the end was dumbfounding.
If those 2 things are going to happen AND BI is out, then, like it or not, a CJ play is your next best option.
And for those who think CJ is so bad in the clutch, that just shows your bias. Haven't checked since, but before tonight, CJ by far shoots a higher FG% than BI or Zion in the clutch and has 1 turnover...not per clutch game or per 36...CJ literally had 1 turnover the entire season in the clutch. He's basically done the literal opposite of what everyone complains that he does in big moments.
This post was edited on 3/27/24 at 9:23 am
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Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:21 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:In the game thread, some dude claiming to be a basketball coach for 20 years swore that the wide open CJ 3 with 1:48 to go and up 3 was a terrible decision
The guy who was 4-10 from 3 before taking a wide open 3 pointer with 2 minutes left up 3?
I don't care if CJ was 0-10, he has to shoot when he's wide open, and anyone that thinks differently doesn't understand basketball.
In a 3 game point with just under 2 to go, some folks who even claim to coach basketball think that milking 10 more seconds on the clock to likely get a worse shot is better than a wide open CJ 3. Not much you can do with those folks.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:26 am to shel311
quote:
And for those who think CJ is so bad in the clutch, that just shows your bias. Haven't checked since, but before tonight, CJ by far shoots a higher FG% than BI or Zion in the clutch and has 1 turnover...not per clutch game or per 36...CJ literally had 1 turnover the entire season in the clutch. He's basically done the literal opposite of what everyone complains that he does in big moments.
Yeah I dont disagree in regards to CJs play but in these clutch minutes I need my best player who gives me the best opportunity to win to take these shots. I sometimes think Zion defers to CJ because hes a vet and a bit of a mentor but he needs to know its HIS team.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:30 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:
I mean you have to put Borrego on this list too.
He's right there already. He was literally brought in for offense. If anything i'd blame him more than Willie, although i have no idea what the dynamic actually is in game coaching.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:30 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:Feels good to be on the right side of the curve on this one!
I've got to say the change in most posters on JV this year has been nice to see.
quote:I will say though, and I've also said this for multiple years, while I like Val and think Val should play way more and in obvious situations like last night...
I think it's important we keep JV
It's clear that Willie does not agree. THat's 1 of the reasons I think we should go away from Willie but my main point being if we do keep Willie, as much as I'd hate that and hate my next statement, we should not retain Val.
If Willie won't play Val, it would be dumb to give him $10mil. In a perfect world, we get a coach who will use Val correctly and extend him. That's highly unlikely. Also unlikely is Willie seeing the light with Val, so ultimately, the best of bad options would be if Willie sticks around, just let Val walk.
It's unfortunate, but you have a coach who doesn't know how to use a difference maker and prefers to play a dude who gives a whole lot of nothing more often than not.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:32 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:Definitely
Yeah I dont disagree in regards to CJs play but in these clutch minutes I need my best player who gives me the best opportunity to win to take these shots. I sometimes think Zion defers to CJ because hes a vet and a bit of a mentor but he needs to know its HIS team.
But the issue is people point at CJ and yell and complain and wonder why he's taking shots away from Zion, which wasn't the case.
He's taking shots because no one else is going to do it. Zion wasn't demanding the ball. Your coach isn't running sets nonstop for Zion. Shot clocks are winding down and the ball finds its way in CJ's hands. That's not on CJ, not the late game stuff.
His missed wide open 3 with just under 2 to go was the biggest play of the game, but no one in their right mind should think that he should not have taken that shot. The issue was the execution, not the decision.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:33 am to shel311
Yep. In order to maximize Willie’s “vision” and optimize the roster, it’s without JV. It sucks because pretty much everyone else sees JV as a plus…except Willie.
If we have a disappointing series in the playoffs, I could see us moving on from Willie tbh. But if we win that first round series, he’s staying for a while.
If we have a disappointing series in the playoffs, I could see us moving on from Willie tbh. But if we win that first round series, he’s staying for a while.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:33 am to England_Pelican
The officials screwed the pooch big time in the last minute and a half. Allowed SGA to practically carry the ball under his arm for half the court.
Missed obvious fouls in Pels last possession.
Missed obvious fouls in Pels last possession.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:34 am to VOR
quote:So did Willie.
The officials screwed the pooch big time in the last minute and a half. Allowed SGA to practically carry the ball under his arm for half the court.
Missed obvious fouls in Pels last possession.
It's ok to say that.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:38 am to shel311
Good point I heard on a pod...
One of our best "sets" are giving the ball to Zion at the FT line. In the middle, near the basket. Good things happen when we do that.
Amount of times we did that in the final 5 minutes...ZERO
One of our best "sets" are giving the ball to Zion at the FT line. In the middle, near the basket. Good things happen when we do that.
Amount of times we did that in the final 5 minutes...ZERO
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:53 am to shel311
How often do you see the Nuggets run a play simply to get Jokic the ball in a position like that? That's all they do. Either Jokic is setting a pick for Murray and going from there, or they are isolating Jokic around the FT line and getting him the ball. that's is. You do that and live with the results. If we are goign to lose we'll do it with Zion and BI being involved with every single play. Instead what we've seen all year and what we so last night was 15 seconds of a bunch of nothing and then BI or CJ having to create a shot completely on their own as no one else moves as the shot clock expires.
We do it occasionally during the game, but never in the clutch, in regards to getting Zion the ball in an ideal position like the FT line.
Just run a frickign set for Zion to get open 15' from the basket. If they take it away then someone has to be wide arse fricking open for a 3. When he gets the ball they are going to double him every single time.
It really shouldn't be so hard to run plays in the clutch. Literally anything involving Zion either setting a pick, getting a pick set for him with the ball or without would suffice.
We do it occasionally during the game, but never in the clutch, in regards to getting Zion the ball in an ideal position like the FT line.
Just run a frickign set for Zion to get open 15' from the basket. If they take it away then someone has to be wide arse fricking open for a 3. When he gets the ball they are going to double him every single time.
It really shouldn't be so hard to run plays in the clutch. Literally anything involving Zion either setting a pick, getting a pick set for him with the ball or without would suffice.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:56 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:It's virtually every team, except for us.
How often do you see the Nuggets run a play simply to get Jokic the ball in a position like that? That's all they do
Jokic
Luka
Ja
Ant
And so on and so forth...in the last 5 minutes, their best player is facilitating virtually every possession. Not every 3rd or 4th possession. They're intentional about it, relentless about it. We do the opposite.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 10:09 am to WicKed WayZ
quote:
Yep. In order to maximize Willie’s “vision” and optimize the roster, it’s without JV. It sucks because pretty much everyone else sees JV as a plus…except Willie.
I think everyone sees JV as a plus now that they see how we look without him/giving the majority of his minutes away.
Nobody outside of CJ, has been hated on more over the past couple years than JV. All he's done is been consistently good and our lone iron man. Just a month or two a go most of the board was begging for Larry to get the majority of the minutes. THen Larry starts getting minutes and plays like crap and ow everyone is singing JV's praises and how he's a key piece. It's amplified now that BI is out.
I'm all for the JV love, but it's revisionist history if you think that is something that "everyone else sees". Unless that's just talking about the right now, and not his tenure here. Hell at the end of the season last year I did a JV appreciation post and it probably got 5 comments at the most. Kind of funny how the tune has changed.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 10:11 am to iwyLSUiwy
quote:Except for Willie and whoever WIllie answers to.
I think everyone sees JV as a plus now that they see how we look without him/giving the majority of his minutes away.
quote:Some of us having been clamoring for more Val as a feature for multiple seasons now. Good to see many others have finally seen the light. Not good to see that Willie still hasn't.
Nobody outside of CJ, has been hated on more over the past couple years than JV. All he's done is been consistently good and our lone iron man. Just a month or two a go most of the board was begging for Larry to get the majority of the minutes. THen Larry starts getting minutes and plays like crap and ow everyone is singing JV's praises and how he's a key piece. It's amplified now that BI is out.
I'm all for the JV love, but it's revisionist history if you think that is something that "everyone else sees". Unless that's just talking about the right now, and not his tenure here. Hell at the end of the season last year I did a JV appreciation post and it probably got 5 comments at the most. Kind of funny how the tune has changed.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 10:42 am to shel311
quote:
Except for Willie and whoever WIllie answers to.
A lot of this is on Griffin too. If your coach thinks JV doesn’t fit his scheme and frankly doesn’t want to play him- why is he still on the team? Why wasn’t he traded in the offseason or at the deadline? This JV/Nance situation has been going on since last year and Griffin has done nothing to help the issue. You have first round picks, package them with JV and get a big that Willie wants to use and is better than Nance. Or just trade JV and be done with it. Its just unfair to the team, JV and even the fans to keep a player with his talents glued to the bench and play Nance 30 plus minutes. I was on the fence but tonight signaled the end of JVs tenure with Pels. Hes not resigning with us and he should’nt because Willie is completely disrespecting him.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 10:51 am to Pels_Yaz
When we were up 5, OKC looked done. The body language was that they were defeated. I could not understand why Larry was still in as we needed to hold them to 1 shot. Instead, we allowed them to grab multiple rebounds while JV sat on the bench. So frustrating. Nance just was a nonfactor on the boards.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 10:54 am to NOSHAU
quote:
Nance just was a nonfactor on the boards.
To top it off Willie at his postpresser was like we need to rebound better. Its like hey dumb motherfricker you didn’t play our best rebounder the whole second half. Like what the actual frick!
If you don’t have that much awareness that JV is a monster rebounder- I don’t know what else to say.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 10:58 am to NOSHAU
quote:Last night, ORB%/DRB/TRB%
I could not understand why Larry was still in as we needed to hold them to 1 shot. Instead, we allowed them to grab multiple rebounds while JV sat on the bench. So frustrating. Nance just was a nonfactor on the boards.
Val - 21.3%/46.9%/33.4%
Nance - 3.4%/3.8%/3.6%
Posted on 3/27/24 at 11:20 am to shel311
WGs inconsistant coaching has cost the PELS at least
5 games this season.His 4th Q DECISIONS ARE PUTRID.The guy
doesnt have a clue.
5 games this season.His 4th Q DECISIONS ARE PUTRID.The guy
doesnt have a clue.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 2:06 pm to Pels_Yaz
Pels were coming off a good winning streak and lost at home to a top 3 seed in the West. Pels matched up well without BI and Dyson. OKC is a good matchup for the Pels in the playoffs. Coach Green has laid down his marker on consistent defense and he's been proven right based on the team's record.
The larger test for Coach Green and the Pels will be against the Beasts of the East, particularly the strategy against a slew of mobile bigs.
The larger test for Coach Green and the Pels will be against the Beasts of the East, particularly the strategy against a slew of mobile bigs.
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