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Willie Green
Posted on 3/27/24 at 6:52 am
Posted on 3/27/24 at 6:52 am
Ok last game I talked about how Willie made strides. This game was the complete opposite. I felt like he literally took 3 steps back. Heres some things I noticed.
- no JV second half.
- JV in the few minutes he played in the first actually played pretty well offensively. With BI out it’s imperative we rely on JV even if the coaching staff doesn’t like his switchability on defense. (AD harped on using JV as well); to top it off the game we won against the thunder was largely due to JV.
- again overusing Nance. I don’t think overall Nance is horrendous but there is no reason he should be playing 33 minutes just based on his defensive switchability. He was out rebounded by JRE in the limited minutes JRE played. Nance had a total of 2 rebounds and was constantly hesitant to shoot against Chet.
- Willie complaining about being outrebounded while JV doesn’t play a minute in second half. This is just a lack of self awareness, you cant complain about rebounding when you decided to sit your best rebounder the whole second half.
- defensive strategy on Shai- not doubling a MVP candidate once is definitely a choice (again AD was perplexed why we weren’t doubling him)
- Hawkins hit his 3 and played well. Then disappeared. Not a big deal considering we made run without him but hes a guy with BI out should be used more due to his offense and spacing but never is.
- Finally another clutch loss where we cant seem to get our best player (Zion) involved. I get it CJ was hot and Trey was playing well. But as a coach you have to demand the ball go into Zion. NBA offensives in clutch are not equally opportunities. You HAVE to play through your stars to win. Zion admitted he needs to demand the ball but coaching staff should hold players including CJ if the play is not going through Zion.
Look at the end of the day, pels made it close and credit it to players/coaches there. But this is no time for moral victories. A close loss is just like a 20 point loss in the standings. Lets see if Willie and Zion learn their lessons against the Bucks. I would highly not advise playing Nance 30 plus minutes against the front line of Giannis anf Lopez.
- no JV second half.
- JV in the few minutes he played in the first actually played pretty well offensively. With BI out it’s imperative we rely on JV even if the coaching staff doesn’t like his switchability on defense. (AD harped on using JV as well); to top it off the game we won against the thunder was largely due to JV.
- again overusing Nance. I don’t think overall Nance is horrendous but there is no reason he should be playing 33 minutes just based on his defensive switchability. He was out rebounded by JRE in the limited minutes JRE played. Nance had a total of 2 rebounds and was constantly hesitant to shoot against Chet.
- Willie complaining about being outrebounded while JV doesn’t play a minute in second half. This is just a lack of self awareness, you cant complain about rebounding when you decided to sit your best rebounder the whole second half.
- defensive strategy on Shai- not doubling a MVP candidate once is definitely a choice (again AD was perplexed why we weren’t doubling him)
- Hawkins hit his 3 and played well. Then disappeared. Not a big deal considering we made run without him but hes a guy with BI out should be used more due to his offense and spacing but never is.
- Finally another clutch loss where we cant seem to get our best player (Zion) involved. I get it CJ was hot and Trey was playing well. But as a coach you have to demand the ball go into Zion. NBA offensives in clutch are not equally opportunities. You HAVE to play through your stars to win. Zion admitted he needs to demand the ball but coaching staff should hold players including CJ if the play is not going through Zion.
Look at the end of the day, pels made it close and credit it to players/coaches there. But this is no time for moral victories. A close loss is just like a 20 point loss in the standings. Lets see if Willie and Zion learn their lessons against the Bucks. I would highly not advise playing Nance 30 plus minutes against the front line of Giannis anf Lopez.
This post was edited on 3/27/24 at 7:04 am
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Posted on 3/27/24 at 6:57 am to Pels_Yaz
Close loss, 30 point loss, doesn’t matter.
This loss is indicative of what’s going to happen to us in the playoffs.
We had a 5 point lead with the ball with 3 minutes left and we were outscored 12-0.
That’s a problem that’s existed all year and something is going to have to be done to change that.
This loss is indicative of what’s going to happen to us in the playoffs.
We had a 5 point lead with the ball with 3 minutes left and we were outscored 12-0.
That’s a problem that’s existed all year and something is going to have to be done to change that.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 7:01 am to TeddyPadillac
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That’s a problem that’s existed all year and something is going to have to be done to change that.
To me its just on the players now. Unfortunately, I dont see Willie all of a sudden devising plays or suddenly coaching better in the clutch. It’ll be up to BI and Zion to work together to win. If not we’re going home early.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 7:09 am to Pels_Yaz
Is he under contract next year or is this his last? I wouldn’t mind just moving on from him. Don’t fire him but just thank him for getting us this far and we need someone better to take us to the next level.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 7:16 am to BigPerm30
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Is he under contract next year or is this his last?
His contract is up after this season. I found it interesting that Griff still hasn’t extended him. Just something to watch. How Willie does in the playoffs plus what other coaches are on the market may determine his fate in the offseason.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 7:40 am to TeddyPadillac
You just can’t rally from that far behind, take a 2 possession lead just to then melt 12-0 in the last few minutes
Absolutely that awful ball carry swing things… but the 3 offensive rebounds leading to a made 3 is criminal.
JV played well and bullied Chet… can’t fathom for 1 minute why he wasn’t played more, especially down the stretch when securing boards is vital. Mind boggling coaching
Absolutely that awful ball carry swing things… but the 3 offensive rebounds leading to a made 3 is criminal.
JV played well and bullied Chet… can’t fathom for 1 minute why he wasn’t played more, especially down the stretch when securing boards is vital. Mind boggling coaching
This post was edited on 3/27/24 at 7:41 am
Posted on 3/27/24 at 7:46 am to Pels_Yaz
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To me its just on the players now.
I would agree, but when i said something has to be done to change it, i meant more in the offseason.
Whether that means a new coach, or a new player.
Is getting rid of Willie going to change this? He's got several assistants. Do none of them know how to help close games out? Isn't Borrego supposed to be the offensive guy?
and it's not like they took tough shots down the stretch last night.
CJ and Herb both missed wide arse open 3's while SGA walked into a three and Dort hit a wide open 3. That's basketball sometimes.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 7:48 am to Pels_Yaz
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I get it CJ was hot
When was CJ hot? I recall him making 2 shots in a row after missing 10-11 in a row, many that were just awful decisions but never recall him being hot.
The hero ball he was playing in the end was dumbfounding. On one occasion he took on two guys with a dribbling show while Trey was to his right with 8 feet of space.
For such a seamingly cerebral guy, he plays like an idiot on too many occasions.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 7:59 am to tibebecolston
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When was CJ hot? I recall him making 2 shots in a row after missing 10-11 in a row, many that were just awful decisions but never recall him being hot.
He was 5/5 in the 3rd at one point. You must have not watched the 3rd quarter at all
Posted on 3/27/24 at 8:01 am to Pels_Yaz
Will definitely need to upgrade the coaching staff to get to the next level
Posted on 3/27/24 at 8:06 am to tibebecolston
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When was CJ hot?
The guy shooting 42% from three on 8 attempts a game this season?
The guy who was 4-10 from 3 before taking a wide open 3 pointer with 2 minutes left up 3?
I don't care if CJ was 0-10, he has to shoot when he's wide open, and anyone that thinks differently doesn't understand basketball.
and the mid range shot he missed right before that was just a terrible offensive possession where they gave him the ball with under 7 seconds left on the shot clock and said "do something", which is what happens to BI every single game. and that shot still wasn't a bad shot and one he has made plenty of times this year.
The fact that Zion did nothing in the last 6 minutes of this game is the problem. He took two shots, and missed them both, had zero assists, and barely even touched the ball with under 3 minutes left. I think he missed those two layups around that 4-5 minute mark and decided someone else was going to have a make a shot b/c he couldn't.
You have to want to be the reason your team wins or loses if your Zion. You can't leave it in other guys hands, unless you were the guy that created the open shot for them to take.
This post was edited on 3/27/24 at 8:08 am
Posted on 3/27/24 at 8:09 am to tibebecolston
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When was CJ hot? I recall him making 2 shots in a row after missing 10-11 in a row, many that were just awful decisions but never recall him being hot.
He was the reason we closed in on them in the 3rd.
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The hero ball he was playing in the end was dumbfounding. On one occasion he took on two guys with a dribbling show while Trey was to his right with 8 feet of space.
No one else would come get the ball. Every time he dished it to Trey or Jose, they would run around with the ball for five to seven seconds then send it back to CJ or put up a contested prayer.
The real issue is that he should have been running a middle P/R with Zion in the middle but that would require coaching.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 8:30 am to BigPerm30
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The real issue is that he should have been running a middle P/R with Zion in the middle but that would require coaching.
Exactly.
Same issue we have with BI.
Why we don't run a simple P/R with our two best players like literally every other team in the league does in the clutch is just baffling to me.
Larry is shooting 43% from the corners this year, just 28 shots, but still 43%. Go sit in the corner. CJ and Herb go find an open spot on the 3 point line. Zion go set a pick for BI and roll to the goal. For this game you replace BI with CJ and insert Trey for CJ. same thing.
Or you could simply spread out and go get the switch you want for Zion and then let Zion take his man to the goal with 4 shooters waiting on the 3 point line. You know, like every other team in the league does.
It's like we have this plan to do the exact opposite of every other successful team in the league like we have this secret plan. IT DOESN"T WORK, AND HASN"T ALL YEAR!
Posted on 3/27/24 at 8:31 am to BigPerm30
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The real issue is that he should have been running a middle P/R with Zion in the middle but that would require coaching.
What sucks is not having a big that can bully chet with efficient post play to draw double teams.
Yep. Don't have one big for that
Posted on 3/27/24 at 8:31 am to BigPerm30
Outside of Kevin Young, I don’t know who else they would hire that would jump out as an immediate upgrade over Willie, as sad as that is to say.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 8:35 am to whatiknowsofar
I've got to say the change in most posters on JV this year has been nice to see.
So many people have wanted to move him, but are finally seeing that he is a offensive weapon against certain teams. He isnt' goign to be that guy every game, but against certain matcups, he can absolutely change a game for the good, and he's done that several games, single handedly winning games for us, since he's been here.
I think it's important we keep JV, assuming we actually use him to our advantage, and find a better Larry replacement for next year.
He didn't even need to score last night, just simply demand the double so that scoring on offense is easier b/c the defense is scrambling.
So many people have wanted to move him, but are finally seeing that he is a offensive weapon against certain teams. He isnt' goign to be that guy every game, but against certain matcups, he can absolutely change a game for the good, and he's done that several games, single handedly winning games for us, since he's been here.
I think it's important we keep JV, assuming we actually use him to our advantage, and find a better Larry replacement for next year.
He didn't even need to score last night, just simply demand the double so that scoring on offense is easier b/c the defense is scrambling.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 8:41 am to BigPerm30
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No one else would come get the ball. Every time he dished it to Trey or Jose, they would run around with the ball for five to seven seconds then send it back to CJ or put up a contested prayer. The real issue is that he should have been running a middle P/R with Zion in the middle but that would require coaching.
For instance if we want to see good coaching, look at thunder. All their clutch sets ran through Shai- not Jalen or Chet. They took away point Zion by telling to Dort to press him bringing up the ball- we had no counter. They starting going after rebounds because there was no JV. The thunder coach ran circles around Willie. By the way Lebron and JJ were raving about how smart the Thunder coach is. A big reason for the Thunder’s success is their coach.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 8:47 am to whatiknowsofar
I really hate criticizing Trey and Herb but they did a couple of things to point out.
1) Herb was completely ball watching when the shot went up and OKC grabbed the offensive rebound that led to one of the 3s at the end. Mental lapse.
2) Let’s put aside the fact that having point Zion at the top of the Key with Larry running some sort of screen for Trey is a terrible play in general for spacing. You are brining three defenders to Zion. Trey has to be better fundamentally at setting up screens to made them effective. He should really watch Curry. There is way too much space between him and the screener.
1) Herb was completely ball watching when the shot went up and OKC grabbed the offensive rebound that led to one of the 3s at the end. Mental lapse.
2) Let’s put aside the fact that having point Zion at the top of the Key with Larry running some sort of screen for Trey is a terrible play in general for spacing. You are brining three defenders to Zion. Trey has to be better fundamentally at setting up screens to made them effective. He should really watch Curry. There is way too much space between him and the screener.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 8:55 am to WicKed WayZ
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Outside of Kevin Young, I don’t know who else they would hire that would jump out as an immediate upgrade over Willie, as sad as that is to say.
Budenholzer
Scott Brooks
Billy Donovan
with no experience as HC
Jordi Fernandez
and a longshot guy
Jay Wright
Posted on 3/27/24 at 8:58 am to TeddyPadillac
I mean you have to put Borrego on this list too. I mean who knows even the few actions we do run is because of Borrego. Maybe if he got full control there would be more set implementation.
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