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re: William Simmons Says the Pellies have the 3rd worst Bleakest Outlook in the West
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:56 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:56 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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We had no intention of tanking last year, either. I guess at least we will still try to win every game when we're 13th in the West instead of having lottery balls to soothe the losses. At what point is a higher 2nd rounder worth tanking?
We can't tank this season. That's my point. There is no point to it. But that means no more load management too, or missing games due to return to game conditioning. Players have to play. No more playing it safe. If we do that, we easily double our win total from last year. It's a massive shift in player management. We have never had accountability or expectations previously. It's going to break some players. I can't wait to see the results..
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Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
Hey..
Gfy
Gfy
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:58 pm to THRILLHO
I hope you're right. I will eat my crow or whatever, it would be worth it to be good. I just see an exceedingly low probability of it occurring. The team has no reliable shooting outside of Murphy.
Jordan Poole is a more iso-heavy, less efficient version of Brandon Ingram who is far worse defensively. Poole isn't going to create much for anyone else, though. If BI was a poor fit with Zion, Poole will be worse.
Our rookies have to hit and Zion has to stay healthy, fit, and engaged. That's a lot of compounding odds.
Jordan Poole is a more iso-heavy, less efficient version of Brandon Ingram who is far worse defensively. Poole isn't going to create much for anyone else, though. If BI was a poor fit with Zion, Poole will be worse.
Our rookies have to hit and Zion has to stay healthy, fit, and engaged. That's a lot of compounding odds.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 9:59 pm to Geauxldilocks
Stfu lil bitch
Posted on 7/7/25 at 10:03 pm to ghost2most
Found the retard..
Posted on 7/7/25 at 10:14 pm to TigerBait2008
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Stfu lil bitch
He's the "longhorn" Lakers fan.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 10:17 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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I hope you're right. I will eat my crow or whatever, it would be worth it to be good. I just see an exceedingly low probability of it occurring. The team has no reliable shooting outside of Murphy.
I am not saying that we will be amazing or even good. I just don't think we'll be a top 10 worst team, by record next season. If we win 40 games, we'd have finished 13th or 14th in lottery odds this year. I think that is a good possibility, especially if everyone plays.
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Jordan Poole is a more iso-heavy, less efficient version of Brandon Ingram who is far worse defensively. Poole isn't going to create much for anyone else, though. If BI was a poor fit with Zion, Poole will be worse.
Poole is replacing McCollum. I don't see a major difference at this point, other than being a bit bigger and younger. I think he'll be a better distributor though, which we will need until Murray returns.
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Our rookies have to hit and Zion has to stay healthy, fit, and engaged. That's a lot of compounding odds.
I love that. It's the last straw for Zion. Put up or shut up. No more excuses. It's what we all want and tired of waiting.
Posted on 7/7/25 at 10:38 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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I hope you're right. I will eat my crow or whatever, it would be worth it to be good...Our rookies have to hit and Zion has to stay healthy, fit, and engaged. That's a lot of compounding odds.
I agree with you. I'm just ~95% sure that Zion will start the season in great shape, whereas most everyone else making predictions are rightfully expecting the usual fat frick to show up game 1. He seems injury prone regardless, but his being in shape will definitely help prevent injuries. My faith in his fitness cascades into my faith in the team being good enough to sneak into the playoffs. He'll help keep the team good enough for the likes of Trey, Poole, and Bey to generally keep a high effort. Herb/Jose (due to their nature) and Missi + the rookies (something to prove in the NBA) are going to be going all out regardless of how shitty we are. I'm just predicting a perfect storm of above-averageness for the team. We'll need some luck (fairly healthy Murray returning, Poole/Herb shooting 37%+ from 3, Missi or Looney being near average NBA centers) to go beyond that.
Posted on 7/8/25 at 10:55 am to THRILLHO
The more you look at the moves, Dumars was consistent in his thought of teams needing to go bigger.
We've now seen it with contenders
OKC - Chet & Hartenstein
Houston - Smith, Sengun, Capela, Adams
Cleveland - Mobley & Allen
Boston - KP & Horford (before)
NYK - KAT
Milwaukee - Giannis & Turner
LAL - Ayton, Hachimura
Denver - Joker, Gordon, JV
LAC - Zubac, Collins, Lopez
Minnesota - Gobert, Randle, Reid
We can all admit, Zion is not a traditional 4 as he's too small to box out and rebound these guys who have a solid 3-4 inches on him. We also have a young front court in Missi. I view the Queen move as a contingency plan and flexibility in roster construction.
Queen can be both your "small ball" 5, similar to Reid for Minnesota, but he's more of a PF. Which allows either Zion to shift his role or the routine thing the past 6 years --- not exist on the court --- and we can survive without him and finally move on without a lack of depth.
I don't like the lack of protections, but the thought makes sense if you start building the team without him in mind and let him fit into it if he plays on the court. You also don't flounder if he's not on it.
We've now seen it with contenders
OKC - Chet & Hartenstein
Houston - Smith, Sengun, Capela, Adams
Cleveland - Mobley & Allen
Boston - KP & Horford (before)
NYK - KAT
Milwaukee - Giannis & Turner
LAL - Ayton, Hachimura
Denver - Joker, Gordon, JV
LAC - Zubac, Collins, Lopez
Minnesota - Gobert, Randle, Reid
We can all admit, Zion is not a traditional 4 as he's too small to box out and rebound these guys who have a solid 3-4 inches on him. We also have a young front court in Missi. I view the Queen move as a contingency plan and flexibility in roster construction.
Queen can be both your "small ball" 5, similar to Reid for Minnesota, but he's more of a PF. Which allows either Zion to shift his role or the routine thing the past 6 years --- not exist on the court --- and we can survive without him and finally move on without a lack of depth.
I don't like the lack of protections, but the thought makes sense if you start building the team without him in mind and let him fit into it if he plays on the court. You also don't flounder if he's not on it.
Posted on 7/8/25 at 12:28 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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None of that addresses how this current Pelicans team is anywhere near the current Denver Nuggets team
We are not. They have the best player in the world on their team, took the champs to 7 games despite injuries of their own last year, and won the damn title two years before that
None of what anyone says addresses how far away we are.... Whats your answer? Injuries? Injuries? Injuries? That's legit the only defense to saying we won't be good or competitive with those other teams.
You can argue that we simply won't be healthy but its tiring thinking with a full and healthy lineup that we are closer to a lottery team than competing. Its actually retarded.
The ONLY reason Denver/ Minnesota are seen as "that far ahead of us" is strictly because Zion isn't Jokic/ ANT. A full season with a healthy Zion that buys in can give you that type of advantage and impact.
Again you want to deny the reality of everyone being healthy then so be it but stop acting like we don't have any fricking talent on this team.
The difference is that we are actually BETTER than all those other teams if you take away their best player. If no Zion, no ANT, and no Jokic then we are easily the best team of the 3. So frick off with the semantics of using injuries in order to evaluate our actual talent.
This post was edited on 7/8/25 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 7/8/25 at 12:44 pm to Dantheman504
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None of what anyone says addresses how far away we are.... Whats your answer? Injuries? Injuries? Injuries? That's legit the only defense to saying we won't be good or competitive with those other teams.
You can argue that we simply won't be healthy but its tiring thinking with a full and healthy lineup that we are closer to a lottery team than competing. Its actually retarded.
This was somewhat true LAST year when we still had BI, CJ, and just acquired Murray
We lost BI and CJ and got back...Jordan Poole. Murray is hurt (but that falls into injuries) too.
Posted on 7/8/25 at 2:25 pm to Louisianabound88
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Those same people 6 years ago said we had the best outlook, THEY WERE WRONG
It was assumed for most GMs it would be nearly impossible to blow the haul we got for AD.
THEY were indeed wrong, and now we have a city with 2 franchises booth mired with bottom tier rosters. Gayle is the common plug that has to be removed if we are to return to past glory.
Posted on 7/8/25 at 2:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
Come on. Last year's construction was simply God awful. We lost Dyson, Naji, Nance, and JV. While replacing them with Murray, Green, Theis, and Trey Jemison. An extremely unbalanced roster with poor depth.
This roster as constructed is at least as deep as that 2023 team. That was what made the engine go even when we had injuries and Williamson was able to stay healthier because we had a lot more ball handlers and facilators.
Now I don't know where they stand this year but they definitely won't be as bad as last season. I'll bet on that. Injuries or not.
This roster as constructed is at least as deep as that 2023 team. That was what made the engine go even when we had injuries and Williamson was able to stay healthier because we had a lot more ball handlers and facilators.
Now I don't know where they stand this year but they definitely won't be as bad as last season. I'll bet on that. Injuries or not.
This post was edited on 7/8/25 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 7/8/25 at 3:19 pm to Dantheman504
You are underselling our health wayyy more than anyone here is overselling it.
We absolutely have talent on this team
Most NBA teams have talent
Do you think Philadelphia will be as good as Denver next year? Because that's basically our eastern conference comparison.
You have LAC, GSW, and LAL as being definitely worse than us next season - they all had major additions at midseason and dealt with injury concerns of their own. Are you not assuming they'll fall off based on...what? Age? Health?
It kinda just feels like you're being selective with your reasoning here. I'm not saying we are definitely gonna suck, just that it's arrogant and homerish to pencil us in as hanging with DEN/MIN when there's no logical reason for it so far.
We absolutely have talent on this team
Most NBA teams have talent
Do you think Philadelphia will be as good as Denver next year? Because that's basically our eastern conference comparison.
You have LAC, GSW, and LAL as being definitely worse than us next season - they all had major additions at midseason and dealt with injury concerns of their own. Are you not assuming they'll fall off based on...what? Age? Health?
It kinda just feels like you're being selective with your reasoning here. I'm not saying we are definitely gonna suck, just that it's arrogant and homerish to pencil us in as hanging with DEN/MIN when there's no logical reason for it so far.
Posted on 7/8/25 at 3:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
that's the other thing
turning BI/CJ/Dyson into Poole/Bey/Murray is not an upgrade, IMO, and Murray is out for a while.
we are an accumulation of talent that does not mesh right now
time will tell if we can find a way to make these pieces work, but presuming we'll just slide right in over teams with Luka/ANT/Jokic/Curry is just bananas
turning BI/CJ/Dyson into Poole/Bey/Murray is not an upgrade, IMO, and Murray is out for a while.
we are an accumulation of talent that does not mesh right now
time will tell if we can find a way to make these pieces work, but presuming we'll just slide right in over teams with Luka/ANT/Jokic/Curry is just bananas
This post was edited on 7/8/25 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 7/8/25 at 4:19 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Last year, if we had a greater than average injury luck, we would have won 45-48 games. Good enough to make play-in, but not good enough to be a top-6 team. Last year's squad wasn't a contender.
Instead, we had our top 8 guys injured in the first month and that was that.
Instead, we had our top 8 guys injured in the first month and that was that.
Posted on 7/8/25 at 4:23 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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It kinda just feels like you're being selective with your reasoning here. I'm not saying we are definitely gonna suck, just that it's arrogant and homerish to pencil us in as hanging with DEN/MIN when there's no logical reason for it so far
We have way more pieces than DEN/ MIN.
The reality is that we should have been one of the best teams the last 2 years if we were completely healthy. This is actually the first year where we should be really good even with certain players out, which you couldn't say in previous years.
Its hard to make a fair comparison when Zion is out all year and ANT/ Jokic are fricking teams up. If Zion can have an impact like Ant/ Jokic then yes we are right there with those teams as we have more overall talent and a player of similar impact.
You can argue what circumstances would happen for us to not be competitive against those teams but you cant really just look at this healthy team and go "nope no chance".
This post was edited on 7/8/25 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 7/8/25 at 4:39 pm to Dantheman504
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This is actually the first year where we should be really good even with certain players out, which you couldn't say in previous years.
See I think this is the first time in years where this isn’t the case.
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If Zion can have an impact like Ant/ Jokic
If Zion can produce like a top 1 or top 5 guy then yes, we will be better, I concede that point
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We have way more pieces than DEN/ MIN.
I just don’t think saying this makes it true. Everyone has talent - their talent has gelled and gotten them to 50+ wins and beyond. Ours has not sniffed that.
We just strongly disagree and it’s the reason our over/under win total is 20 below those teams while still being 10 above our actual wins last season.
Certainly hope you’re more right than anyone else here!
Posted on 7/8/25 at 4:42 pm to Dantheman504
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Better than us: OKC HOU DEN (close) MIN (close)
Equals: DAL SAS PELS
This is comically ridiculous.
Posted on 7/8/25 at 4:52 pm to Dantheman504
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Not better than us:
Utah
SAC
GSW
POR
PHX
I think Utah, Por, and Phx are in the discussion with us as bottom dwellers. Can't say we'll be better and can't say we'll be worse. GS will be better.
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LAC
MEM
LAL
All three, 100% are better than us. The Lakers aren't winning the title but we are not better than a team with Luka, Lebron and Ayton. Sorry to disappoint you.
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Better than us:
OKC
HOU
DEN (close)
MIN (close)
O wow, I thought you were trying to be serious, didn't realize this was a troll
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Equals:
DAL
SAS
PELS
On no planet are we equal to a healthy AD, Kyrie, Flagg, Lively, Gafford, and Klay team. Stop. Just stop.
Edit: Article just happen to come out today on ESPN ranking the outlook for the teams in the West.
LINK
We are clear cut better than.... The Jazz
This post was edited on 7/8/25 at 5:03 pm
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