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re: Why don’t we just keep everything and see what happens

Posted on 6/18/19 at 2:47 am to
Posted by Earthquake
USA
Member since Nov 2007
972 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 2:47 am to
I would love to acquire Gordon, that would give us a very young and exciting team.
sbnation said a package of Solomon Hill, Moore, and the 4th pick would work.
I think the Pacers would want more than that, but I would love to see him on this team.
Posted by ColeLSU
Member since Jul 2008
5856 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 7:40 am to
We talking Magic or Pacers???

Gordon plays for Magic
Posted by RUFshreve
Shree'pote
Member since Jul 2016
2672 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 7:48 am to
This is the first potential move in along time where I've been fine with whichever route Griffin and Langdon decide to go in. I think we have enough young talent, depth and future high picks that we can afford to take a swing on a rookie at #4.

But Aaron Gordon and Myles Turner are both monsters. If either team would trade them to us for #4, I'd be happy with that as well. There's not a potential outcome thats been tossed around, that I haven't liked so far. I have full trust in our FO to make the right call. They've earned out trust.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 7:49 am
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32345 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:02 am to
quote:

Get Turner, who is essentially a role playing starter, or take a shot on Garland who has star potential and find a player using cheaper assets to develop into a solid stretch 5? This FO should be doing the latter.

Agree 100%. Sign some cheap 5 on a short deal, someone like Dedmon (seems to be on everyone's list), Jamychal Green, Taj Gibson. Draft Garland, let him develop with mentor-ship from Jrue for a couple years. IMO Zion's most impactful position is going to be small ball 5, so I don't really want to spend 20 mil on a 5. Cheap 5, shooters, develop young talent.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
14122 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:04 am to
Looking at the free agent class, I'm kind of leaning this way also..

#1 of course take Zion

#4 trade to Atl for #8,17 and they take Hillone of Garland, Hayes, White, Hunter, Culver will be there

At 17 get a draft and stash

If we keep Moore we have around 32 million in cap space, trade him off and we have a little over 40

My 1st free agency target would be D'Lo, 2nd option Brogdon

Next I go after Dedmon or Brook Lopez, or any stretch 5 that can give us 15-20 minutes a game

I would put Ball as the best 6th man in the NBA and let him have control over the 2nd team much like we tried to do last year with Payton (if we get Dlo)

Starting 5
DLo/Jrue/Ingram/Zion/Lopez or
Ball/Jrue/Ingram/Zion/Lopez

Backups
Ball/Hart/Culver/Kenrich/Wood or
Brogdon/Hart/Culver/Kenrich/Wood

Closing 5
Dlo/Jrue/Hart/Ingram/Zion or
Ball/Jrue/Brogdon/Ingram/Zion
Posted by Mad Scientist26
Member since Jul 2018
1942 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:06 am to
That’s basically where I’m at Tiger. I starting to narrow down my want to Garland or trade. My ideal trade is Turner and 18 for 4 and we can draft a shooter in Cam Johnson at 18. Also, I’m all for resigning Niko in FA as one of our bigs either as the starter or 3rd big off the bench.
Posted by whoisnickdoobs
Lafayette
Member since Apr 2012
9352 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:23 am to
I think DeAdre Hunter will be the best available as #4. Take him and trade the bums we got from LA and get a proven pure shooter or a big.
Posted by BallChamp00
Member since May 2015
6353 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:28 am to
I’d like to see Pels get a veteran leader like Thad Young.
Posted by jamal
Places Unknown
Member since Jan 2013
10951 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:30 am to
Bums? Lol...

But I’m warming up to Culver at 4 guys.

Work ethic off the charts. High character guy. He fits the new culture we are trying to instill in this franchise.

He can be a great 2 way player
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
45385 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:33 am to
Any of Garland/Culver/Hunter are fine

Its not a big difference to me

Just don't want reddish
Posted by BallChamp00
Member since May 2015
6353 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:36 am to
Reddish will be a star
Posted by jackwoods4
Member since Sep 2013
28667 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:37 am to
I guess the argument against it would be not wanting to be too young? Lonzo, Ingram, Diallo, Frank, Zion, #4 are all 22 or younger.

The Pelicans will have plenty of young talent, even without any pick following Zion. Establishing a winning culture with some vets 25+ might be worth shipping some assets out.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 8:42 am
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57569 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:39 am to
quote:

According to pretty much every draft in history, plenty can go wrong with any pick in the top 5.


Hasheem Thabeet GOAT
Posted by Mystictiger
Texas
Member since Jul 2015
2623 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:47 am to
Stepien Tier Rankings:

Tier 1: Zion

Tier 2: RJ and Culver

Tier 3: Ja, Clarke, Porter

Tier 4: Hayes, Horton-Tucker, Coby, Hunter, Goga, Reddish, Williams, Langford, Garland, PJ Washington, Porter, Bol, Nickeil

LINK
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
19966 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:54 am to
I tend to agree. With the 4th pick, you have a high chance of one of those pieces hitting and being a star. Take a couple years to get the pieces in order

I also could get behind getting overpaid to get more assets to get more flexibility. With AD,we rushed to put pieces around him and never had much flexibility
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
14853 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:06 am to
I haven't seen a trade I like for the 4th pick yet.

I like Turner, but he has a lot of question marks to me. I've been harping on the fact that he's an extremely poor rebounder and that's a very poor fit next to Zion who isn't great himself, but the bigger thing for me is his position. Not sure I want to use such an asset to acquire a center. The days of playing centers 35 minutes a night are gone and I think you're better off if you sign 2-3 semi cheap "bigs" with different skill sets.

And trading back, especially 8 and 17. No chance. You lose to much value moving from 4 to 8, and 17 itself doesn't hold much value. Plus you're looking at 3 rookies on the roster, not including the 2nds we already own. I would much prefer to just keep 4.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
94769 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:09 am to
And Thabeet goes on...
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
45385 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:15 am to
Portland had a very effective big rotation

Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
11847 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:20 am to
quote:

I like Turner, but he has a lot of question marks to me. I've been harping on the fact that he's an extremely poor rebounder and that's a very poor fit next to Zion who isn't great himself, but the bigger thing for me is his position.
A poor fit? I disagree.
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
14853 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:25 am to
I meant just in general, having a poor rebounder isn't ideal next to Zion. Turner does a lot of things that make him appealing next to Zion, but there are things that make him less desirable as well. His poor rebounding is a big one.

I don't see how you can trade the 4th pick, which is a very good asset in my opinion, and spend it on a guy that has such a glaring weakness next to your superstar.

I also wouldn't trade the 4th pick for a center, but that has less to do with Turner the player and more his position.
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