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re: What/Who should we aim for in a BI trade?
Posted on 1/23/25 at 5:06 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 1/23/25 at 5:06 pm to TeddyPadillac
Expiring and a couple of picks because a hard rebuild is coming
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Posted on 1/23/25 at 6:02 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
I honestly don’t see a BI trade. His value is rock bottom. There’s been absolutely no rumors of any teams being interested recently. I think he ends up walking for nothing in the offseason and signing a Tobias Harris type contract with a team like Charlotte for like 2 years 25 million per year. Hell I could even see him taking a one year MLE deal with a contender to try and build up his value again
Posted on 1/23/25 at 7:07 pm to Balsamic_duck
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I honestly don’t see a BI trade. His value is rock bottom.
I called my shot over the summer. Some team will want him in the offseason but will need us to do a sign and trade.
Griff won’t take Pennies on the dollar and will try to resign him on a cheaper contract. Griff will end up bending over and accommodate the other team for a pair of 2nds or some other garbage.
Posted on 1/23/25 at 7:14 pm to PELsu
No one. You let him walk if necessary.
Posted on 1/23/25 at 7:19 pm to Balsamic_duck
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honestly don’t see a BI trade. His value is rock bottom. There’s been absolutely no rumors of any teams being interested recently. I think he ends up walking for nothing in the offseason and signing a Tobias Harris type contract with a team like Charlotte for like 2 years 25 million per year. Hell I could even see him taking a one year MLE deal with a contender to try and build up his value again
I think this is the best course. We don't need to take on any bad contracts, to further muddle up our cap sheet. Let him play out the year, then let him walk. I'd be OK helping him out with a minor sign and trade, but it has to be in our beat interest. I think he needs a new setting.
Posted on 1/23/25 at 7:26 pm to brmark70816
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I think this is the best course. We don't need to take on any bad contracts, to further muddle up our cap sheet. Let him play out the year, then let him walk. I'd be OK helping him out with a minor sign and trade, but it has to be in our beat interest. I think he needs a new setting.
Yeah if I’m griff the only way I’m trading him at the deadline is if I’m getting expiring contracts. I think we hold all the leverage right now. The nets are the only team with a lot of cap space this summer and I don’t think they’d even want BI. BI needs the pelicans help if he wants to get paid
Posted on 1/24/25 at 8:16 am to mhasen1
quote:When did those improvements happen?
Missi has been an awesome surprise, but getting Walker Kessler would be my priority. His improvement in ft and 3 pt shooting probably make him even more difficult to get, but that is the blueprint return for me.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 8:29 am to NOSHAU
The most simplified trade package for BI would be through Utah. But its not going to be multiple 1st + Kessler.
(2) 1st + John Collins
Kessler + John Collins + (1) 2nd
(Highly doubtful) Kessler + (1) 1st + John Collins
Pistons: KCP/ John Collins/ Theis
Magic: Javonte Green/ CJ/ JRE
Utah: BI
Pels: Issac/ Isaiah Stewart /Gary Harris (TPE)
(2) 1st via Utah/ (1) 2nd via Det/ (1) 2nd via Orl
36mil TPE from BI
(2) 1st + John Collins
Kessler + John Collins + (1) 2nd
(Highly doubtful) Kessler + (1) 1st + John Collins
Pistons: KCP/ John Collins/ Theis
Magic: Javonte Green/ CJ/ JRE
Utah: BI
Pels: Issac/ Isaiah Stewart /Gary Harris (TPE)
(2) 1st via Utah/ (1) 2nd via Det/ (1) 2nd via Orl
36mil TPE from BI
This post was edited on 1/24/25 at 10:30 am
Posted on 1/24/25 at 9:33 am to Dantheman504
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The most simplified trade package for BI would be through Utah. But its not going to be multiple 1st + Kessler. (2) 1st + John Collins Kessler + John Collins + (1) 2nd (Highly doubtful) Kessler + (1) 1st + John Collins Pistons: KCP/ John Collins/ Theis Magic: Javonte Green/ CJ/ JRE Utah: BI Pels: Issac/ Isaiah Stewart /Gary Harris (TPE) (2) 1st via Utah/ (1) 2nd via Det/ (1) 2nd via Orl 36mil TPE from BI
We apparently had a trade lined up with Utah over the summer but BI told Utah he wouldn’t resign there so it fell apart. Maybe that’s changed now, but I think Utah is off the board as a BI destination
Posted on 1/24/25 at 9:57 am to Balsamic_duck
Could have had scoot. Another failed griff decision holding onto players too long
Posted on 1/24/25 at 10:28 am to Balsamic_duck
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We apparently had a trade lined up with Utah over the summer but BI told Utah he wouldn’t resign there so it fell apart. Maybe that’s changed now, but I think Utah is off the board as a BI destination
The exact report was that "BI believes he can get the same contract with a better team".
Not many teams will have that cap space next year and the Nets are not a better team than the Jazz. Better market? Maybe but not a better situation IMO.
If this actually plays out then it would be worse case scenario for all. BI walks for nothing and then gets smacked with reality when mediocre teams offer 40-50mil and contenders offer him 30mil.
I think BI is smarter than that and will secure the higher contract as long as its a guaranteed.
The Nets/ Jazz/ Pistons are essentially the only (3) teams that would offer draft picks and salary relief. And Detroit can only really offer salary relief besides 2nds.
This post was edited on 1/24/25 at 10:32 am
Posted on 1/24/25 at 10:34 am to Dantheman504
Utah is not a realistic destination any longer IMO. Lauri plays the four and BI would come in at the three. But what happens if they then win the lottery and get Cooper as they hope/dream. Now you’ve traded assets and players for BI and wouldn’t even have a place for him. (No I do not believe they would play BI, Cooper and Lauri together). They have to see where they fall in the draft before going any further with adding.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 10:55 am to PELsu
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Utah is not a realistic destination any longer IMO.
Then I guess we don't get more than (1) 1st for BI.
The only (2) teams that would offer multiple 1st are Jazz/ Nets
If the Jazz really want BI over other players then they aren't going to pass up an all star caliber players because they also got the best player in the draft.
I agree that they may wait for the draft but its doubtful because BI will most likely be gone by the deadline.
Otherwise people will be upset when we get rid of BI for (1) 2nd and (1) player just for salary relief.
The pels don't have leverage and BI really doesn't even have leverage. The team that wants him the most has leverage and so far that would be Utah.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 10:55 am to Dantheman504
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Not many teams will have that cap space next year and the Nets are not a better team than the Jazz.
Almost every near max player that has signed in the offseason has done so with a S&T. Paul George last year was the exception.
You don't need cap space to sign a max guy. You just need assets and matching salaries that the other team wants.
BI is not goign to sign with the Nets b/c they are the only team with cap space. you could pick almost every team in the league and easily draw up a S&T scenario.
The issue isn't going to be who has space to sign him. It will be who is going to give him the contract he wants, and how much are we going to help facilitate that S&T.
Let's say the Lakers come in and want to S&T for BI giving him the max and offer Christie, Rui, and DFS and a 1st.
Then the Spurs come in and offer Barnes and Collins and 2 1sts and 4 2nds but only give BI slightly under the max. Why would we accept the Lakers offer? We don't have to accept their S&T, b/c they can't sign BI unless we help them. We aren't here to do what's best for BI. We're here to do what's best for the Pelicans.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 11:07 am to TeddyPadillac
I also do not think the Nets are going to use their available cap space on BI, nor do I think he gets a max contract. Focus on the middle and more desperate teams. While I think there are major complications with all, teams like the Lakers and Warriors fit that criteria. The Bucks. The Pistons. Any team in the race but not where they want to be and minimal options for major improvement. I don’t think the Bulls are completely off the table here.
This post was edited on 1/24/25 at 11:08 am
Posted on 1/24/25 at 11:07 am to PELsu
Cap relief
any remotely positive asset
any remotely positive asset
Posted on 1/24/25 at 11:21 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:
We aren't here to do what's best for BI. We're here to do what's best for the Pelicans.
And teams aren't going to offer shite if BI doesn't agree to the contract....
In order to do a S&T BI has to accept an extension.
If our choices end up being a shite return from the Lakers or BI walks then we don't have a choice...
Fortunately BI will take the money, it just depends on who offers it.
quote:
BI is not going to sign with the Nets b/c they are the only team with cap space.
Are they offering the most money because if they are then he certainly will.
There aren't many teams that can trade assets, pay BI, and keep their current assets or team together.
You are 100% looking at a Jazz/ Nets/ Det/ Spurs trade for cap relief or accepting something like Jarrett Allen/ LaVine with no picks coming back. Maybe Issac + 2nds.
The Jazz are most likely to give up (2) picks while getting off Collins contract. Those picks will be high 20's and BI is more valuable than them. But its also (2) 1st that we can draft or trade. ( would now be the Suns 31' pick and a 2nd)
I'd personally do (2) Cavs 1st for BI from Utah with 30+mil BI TPE and then trade Hawk + (1) 1st for a more suitable SG.
This post was edited on 1/24/25 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 1/24/25 at 11:27 am to Dantheman504
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If our choices end up being a shite return from the Lakers or BI walks then er don't have a choice...
Walks where?
He can't walk anywhere unless we help facilitate the S&T, regardless of how much he signs for. There's no scenario where we don't sign BI, and he just walks and signs some MLE deal with someone else. The only "walk" destination is the Nets.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 11:30 am to TeddyPadillac
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The only "walk" destination is the Nets
Pistons, Jazz, Spurs, Nets can get it done with trades this year.
That's exactly why I named those teams.... They are the (4) teams that can give BI the max and he immediately helps their franchise. Every other team will have to give up assets to do it and will be in a bind if it doesn't work out.
The other (2) teams willing to take the chance and able to give assets are GSW and Cavs.
Which would be a framework of Wiggins (hopefully a 3rd team) and Jarret Allen (probably aren't getting picks back)
This post was edited on 1/24/25 at 11:33 am
Posted on 1/24/25 at 12:05 pm to Dantheman504
Pistons
Jazz
Spurs
Nets
Magic
Cavs
GSW
Lakers
Bulls
Hornets
Every other team besides the first 4 will have to "give up assets" and probably offer less.
Jazz
Spurs
Nets
Magic
Cavs
GSW
Lakers
Bulls
Hornets
Every other team besides the first 4 will have to "give up assets" and probably offer less.
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