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Posted on 7/22/16 at 8:25 am to 504ByrdGang
Fair enough. Just friendly advice. I think if you are a fan of this TEAM (and not a single player) you could contribute more to this forum and also learn more if you concentrate on other guys. But you are right, do you with your time
Posted on 7/22/16 at 11:23 am to Crewz
Nobody thinks Reke will be here after this year. Nobody is going to trade for him either. As such, he'll be a Pel this year, we will suck on O, and he can dominate the 2s. Its really not that hard to understand.
This post was edited on 7/22/16 at 11:39 am
Posted on 7/22/16 at 11:47 am to Solo
he can't play dude
what part of that is hard to understand?
no doubt that by the time he can play the team will find minutes for him but for now he's a non factor in any decisions regarding rotation minutes
what part of that is hard to understand?
no doubt that by the time he can play the team will find minutes for him but for now he's a non factor in any decisions regarding rotation minutes
Posted on 7/22/16 at 11:53 am to cgrand
MM have you heard or have any opinions on rotations? Where does Galloway fit in? I'm assuming he will take a back seat to Moore?
Posted on 7/22/16 at 12:07 pm to cgrand
I'm totally with you. He can't play. But when he can, whether that is December, January or whenever, he'll get minutes because outside of AD we don't have much on the offensive side of the ball.
So we all agree. The only people in fantasy land when it comes to Reke are the people who think we are moving him.
So we all agree. The only people in fantasy land when it comes to Reke are the people who think we are moving him.
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 12:21 pm to CP3forMVP
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MM have you heard or have any opinions on rotations? Where does Galloway fit in? I'm assuming he will take a back seat to Moore?
No one knows not even Gentry. Amin has said Gentry goes into the season giving everyone and chance and guys earn their spot in training camp. Outside of AD and Jrue no one is a lock to have secured minutes.
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Posted on 7/28/16 at 11:06 pm to 504ByrdGang
So it's probably non news, but feels worth mentioning that in Lowe's podcast he mentioned that the Bucks and Pels did talk about Greg Monroe this offseason. Stein mentioned it too.
I put in this thread bc it's usually Tyreke that is involved those discussions. Not implying a trade here. Again, just thought it beared repeating.
I put in this thread bc it's usually Tyreke that is involved those discussions. Not implying a trade here. Again, just thought it beared repeating.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 11:43 pm to BallHawk
I would almost prefer to just keep an injured Reke over trading him for Monroe. Monroe could have a bad season and opt in 17/18.
Posted on 7/29/16 at 9:25 am to THRILLHO
Absolutely do not want Greg Monroe.
Posted on 7/29/16 at 10:07 am to THRILLHO
Don't think we do a Monroe deal without getting rid of Asik
Posted on 7/29/16 at 10:12 am to THRILLHO
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I would almost prefer to just keep an injured Reke over trading him for Monroe. Monroe could have a bad season and opt in 17/18.
if yall are so confident Reke doesn't play again for us, or if he does it's very little, and he's obviously not in the plans for the future, then why wouldn't you want 1 year of a healthy big man that is very good on offense, as opposed to nothing?
Monroe isn't opting in if he plays bad. Teams still know what he is, and he'd be dumb to play an extra year at $17M when he will probably at least get that over 4 years even if he plays bad. If Biyombo can get 4 years at $72, Ryan Anderson can get 4 years at $80, i'm sure Monroe can at least do the same, at least, even if he doesn't play that great.
He's averaged 15/9 his first 6 seasons in the NBA. That's a better offensive stat line than Ryno, although i would say Ryno's shooting opens an offense more.
I would gladly take Monroe for Reke/Ajinca, and to anyone that says no to that, give me a good reason as to why not.
Posted on 7/29/16 at 10:22 am to TeddyPadillac
More doesn't always equal better.
You will see this with Portland this year. They added another guy who wants the ball in his hands, and also replaced hungry guys with paid guys. On paper, they should be better. I guarantee they won't be.
Same goes with Monroe. You spent this whole summer adding a bunch of hungry, low usage guys who will make it their #1 priority to get the ball to AD and play off him. Now, you are going to go against that by going and getting a highly paid, poor defender who needs the ball in his hands.
No thanks. I prefer the inferior (in a vacuum) Ajinca and Terrance Jones getting those minutes, personally
You will see this with Portland this year. They added another guy who wants the ball in his hands, and also replaced hungry guys with paid guys. On paper, they should be better. I guarantee they won't be.
Same goes with Monroe. You spent this whole summer adding a bunch of hungry, low usage guys who will make it their #1 priority to get the ball to AD and play off him. Now, you are going to go against that by going and getting a highly paid, poor defender who needs the ball in his hands.
No thanks. I prefer the inferior (in a vacuum) Ajinca and Terrance Jones getting those minutes, personally
Posted on 7/29/16 at 10:27 am to Crewz
we have 1 legit low post player. ONE.
Asik isn't good.
Ajinca isn't good.
Terrance Jones is a minimum contract guy that might not be worth a crap at all.
Our next best low post player might be a rookie that barely played in college.
I would want Monroe as a backup to AD. We added a lot of hungry defensive oriented guys, and lost three offensive oriented guys. Unless Gentry learns how to coach and we actually learn to move the ball around and play team offense, we are going to be terrible on offense when AD isn't on the court. Monroe is a guy you can give the ball to and say go score, and he can. That is deeply needed on this team, especially the second unit.
Asik isn't good.
Ajinca isn't good.
Terrance Jones is a minimum contract guy that might not be worth a crap at all.
Our next best low post player might be a rookie that barely played in college.
I would want Monroe as a backup to AD. We added a lot of hungry defensive oriented guys, and lost three offensive oriented guys. Unless Gentry learns how to coach and we actually learn to move the ball around and play team offense, we are going to be terrible on offense when AD isn't on the court. Monroe is a guy you can give the ball to and say go score, and he can. That is deeply needed on this team, especially the second unit.
Posted on 7/29/16 at 1:42 pm to TeddyPadillac
A Bucks blogger made a transcript of the Monroe related part of the podcast.
LINK
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Zach Lowe: “The Bucks cannot give Greg Monroe away on what’s basically an expiring deal. I think they got closer than maybe has been reported with New Orleans during either the draft or free agency, I can’t remember which. Is there any Greg Monroe buzz out there at all?”
Marc Stein: “Not right now. New Orleans has been the team that has been linked with him constantly— he’s a New Orleans native — I think that’s where he wants to end up. Nothing is materializing. I mean, look, his looming free agency is a part of it. Obviously concerns about his defense, that’s a part of it as well. He’s going to be back on the market, most likely, pretty soon, so how much are you going to be willing to give up for him? But I do think eventually both of them (Monroe and Rudy Gay) will be traded, it’s just taking longer than their teams want.”
ZL: “I think the Bucks want to bring him off the bench, by the way. I don’t know if that’s obvious from what they paid Plumlee. They like how their team plays with Plumlee at center.”
MS: “They want to move him. If they bring him off the bench, they’re going to have to figure something out because they can’t trade him. I think it’s clear that they think he doesn’t fit what they’re doing at all.”
ZL: “It’s amazing how quickly the low post scorer who doesn’t dive on the pick-and-roll and doesn’t play defense — it’s a tricky piece and teams don’t quite know what to do with it, other than turn them into a second unit scorer.”
MS: “And a year ago, you were actually the one who said ‘the fit’s not going to be great and I’ve got my skepticism about this’. Because most of us, I think, were saying, ‘the Bucks beat the Knicks in a free agent face-off, this is so good for the league that the Bucks won the Monroe sweepstakes’. And a year later nobody is saying that.”
LINK
Posted on 7/29/16 at 2:33 pm to TigerinATL
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bring him off the bench
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second unit scorer
Fitting in a Reke thread.
Posted on 7/29/16 at 8:05 pm to TeddyPadillac
If this were a video game and you could bring Monroe off the bench for 18-20 mins and have him carry some of the scoring load while AD is sitting and that is all, I think he would be great
But one thing I have learned these past few years, talking to people who understand the dynamics of real life teams far more than I did, is that it just doesn't work like that. The 17 million dollars a year guy who is still in his theoretical prime who just takes a backseat and does what is best for the team at his own current and future expense is extremely rare.
Maybe Monroe is mature beyond his years, but that would be rare. Guys don't usually become that selfless until they are Iggy's age or older and still only sacrifice like that if its for an elite team
But one thing I have learned these past few years, talking to people who understand the dynamics of real life teams far more than I did, is that it just doesn't work like that. The 17 million dollars a year guy who is still in his theoretical prime who just takes a backseat and does what is best for the team at his own current and future expense is extremely rare.
Maybe Monroe is mature beyond his years, but that would be rare. Guys don't usually become that selfless until they are Iggy's age or older and still only sacrifice like that if its for an elite team
Posted on 7/29/16 at 8:48 pm to Crewz
I agree, but what if
is a better/more prominent role than what he would have in Milwaukee? It seriously looks like we're the only team interested in acquiring him.
Still, either of those limited roles make it fairly likely that he opts in in 17/18 at nearly $18m. No thanks. Plus, if what you say about Benson's hard cap is true, then Reke's insurance money going to him could keep the wallet a bit more open in the next few years.
The thing about Benson's hard cap, though, is that I think he'll be flexible about it. The Saints were coming off of a SB win in early 2010 (the 2009 season). 2010 ended up being the first (and only thus far) uncapped season since 1993. The Saints ended up with the 3rd highest payroll in the league behind only Dallas and Washington. A lot has changed since then with Benson's mental state, but I suspect that if he thinks going into the tax for a year or two will make us legit contenders, he'll soften up on that cap.
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Monroe off the bench for 18-20 mins and have him carry some of the scoring load while AD is sitting and that is all
is a better/more prominent role than what he would have in Milwaukee? It seriously looks like we're the only team interested in acquiring him.
Still, either of those limited roles make it fairly likely that he opts in in 17/18 at nearly $18m. No thanks. Plus, if what you say about Benson's hard cap is true, then Reke's insurance money going to him could keep the wallet a bit more open in the next few years.
The thing about Benson's hard cap, though, is that I think he'll be flexible about it. The Saints were coming off of a SB win in early 2010 (the 2009 season). 2010 ended up being the first (and only thus far) uncapped season since 1993. The Saints ended up with the 3rd highest payroll in the league behind only Dallas and Washington. A lot has changed since then with Benson's mental state, but I suspect that if he thinks going into the tax for a year or two will make us legit contenders, he'll soften up on that cap.
Posted on 7/29/16 at 10:23 pm to THRILLHO
You have it backwards. If the team is a contender, then he might go into the tax for a year or two, but he isn't going to change his hard cap for what MIGHT be
He will say- Prove it to me, like the Saints did, THEN I will raise your budget
He will say- Prove it to me, like the Saints did, THEN I will raise your budget
Posted on 7/29/16 at 10:41 pm to Crewz
I may have worded it poorly, but that's what I was getting at. If we are mediocre pre ASG, then play really well post break, get the 8th seed, then a first round exit, that's not going to affect much. But if we pull off the 4th or 5th seed and flirt with the WCF, I think he'll be open to spending a lot more.
Probably doesn't matter anytime soon as I don't believe that we can get to the tax next offseason without using Jrue's hold, signing players up to the cap, giving Jrue a max, and doing something like trading Asik's $11m salary for a $16m player.
Probably doesn't matter anytime soon as I don't believe that we can get to the tax next offseason without using Jrue's hold, signing players up to the cap, giving Jrue a max, and doing something like trading Asik's $11m salary for a $16m player.
This post was edited on 7/29/16 at 10:43 pm
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