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We'll never know if it could have worked: The Biggest What if Season since Boogie
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:13 am
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:13 am
I'm not going to pretend that Griff is some savant that is miles ahead of the game. He isn't. He doesn't recognize a sunken cost when he sees one. He just wants to win.
And we'll never know if his idea worked.
In some alternate reality, Murray healthy with an in shape Zion and this years ingram taking more 3s would have worked. Maybe Trey wouldn't have taken this big of a leap, but he would've done more. Herb cleaning up help defense, etc. Then CJ still being pretty damn good?
This shite could've worked. Ingram was taking more 3s. Zion screwed us. Murrays achilles injury has upset me more than any injury since Boogie went down. Ingram got fricked on a dirty arse play from Dort (quickly rising the ranks of my most hated nba players)
Trey not healthy to start the year. Herb getting hurt because he fricking hustles.
Just frick us man. frick all of us for having hope. frick Zion for being the linchpin that refuses to buy all the way into his gifts.
Why did this happen. frick man. Why?
And we'll never know if his idea worked.
In some alternate reality, Murray healthy with an in shape Zion and this years ingram taking more 3s would have worked. Maybe Trey wouldn't have taken this big of a leap, but he would've done more. Herb cleaning up help defense, etc. Then CJ still being pretty damn good?
This shite could've worked. Ingram was taking more 3s. Zion screwed us. Murrays achilles injury has upset me more than any injury since Boogie went down. Ingram got fricked on a dirty arse play from Dort (quickly rising the ranks of my most hated nba players)
Trey not healthy to start the year. Herb getting hurt because he fricking hustles.
Just frick us man. frick all of us for having hope. frick Zion for being the linchpin that refuses to buy all the way into his gifts.
Why did this happen. frick man. Why?
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Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:14 am to whatiknowsofar
There was no what if with Ingram. He never did fit with Zion. He should have been gone for a complimentary piece a long time ago.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:21 am to saints5021
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He never did fit with Zion.
He took far more catch and shoot 3s this year. We'll never know how that would've looked with DJ and Z facilitating to him. They literally never all played together.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:24 am to saints5021
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He never did fit with Zion
oh so last year when Zion's fat arse finally got into shape sometime after chrimstmas and we went 25-12 before BI got hurt while having a top 3 offense and defense in the league during that time, BI wasn't fitting with Zion?
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:26 am to whatiknowsofar
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In some alternate reality, Murray healthy with an in shape Zion and this years ingram taking more 3s would have worked. Maybe Trey wouldn't have taken this big of a leap, but he would've done more. Herb cleaning up help defense, etc. Then CJ still being pretty damn good?
This shite could've worked.
If you have to tell yourself that it will only work in an alternate reality, it would have never worked. There was no case where these guys were going to be healthy together. We already knew that, that's why we should have made moves a long time ago.
I said it in another thread but in the 5.5 years BI and Zion were on the same team, they averaged playing 10 games PER SEASON together. 10!!!
I get how as fans we can check out and dream of things happening and not live in reality but a GM should live in reality and have seen that major changes needed to be made years ago. Griff didn't so now we are screwed, and probably for a long time.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:26 am to TeddyPadillac
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oh so last year when Zion's fat arse finally got into shape sometime after chrimstmas and we went 25-12 before BI got hurt while having a top 3 offense and defense in the league during that time, BI wasn't fitting with Zion?
Anything "not working" on this team ever has way more to do with Zion than anything else, and that goes for scheme and personnel
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:29 am to whatiknowsofar
I really wish I could have seen this team healthy, because it would have been a lot of fun. I thought and still think it would be a top-4 team in the West.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:30 am to whatiknowsofar
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In some alternate reality, Murray healthy with an in shape Zion and this years ingram taking more 3s would have worked
And if a frog had wings, it wouldn’t bump its arse a hoppin.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:33 am to whatiknowsofar
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Anything "not working" on this team ever has way more to do with Zion than anything else, and that goes for scheme and personnel
I would agree, but everyone likes to lay the blame on BI.
ANd yes BI deserves some blame too, but Zion is where most of it should go.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:36 am to whatiknowsofar
If you think Willie was going to take us on a deep playoff run idk what to tell you lol
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:40 am to TeddyPadillac
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ANd yes BI deserves some blame too, but Zion is where most of it should go.
I'd say trading for older players instead of younger assets in the time frame hurt us more than their individual issues. And not having a PG for 4 years also made the situation and our overall asset value way worse. Having a PG most likely makes everyone on our team looking better/ more tradeable in the time frame.
This post was edited on 2/6/25 at 11:45 am
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:43 am to Dantheman504
Both BI and Zion played better when Jose was on the court. He's the closest thing to a PG we had the last 4 years.
It really does suck that we didn't get to see a healthy Murray/Zion/BI/Trey lineup.
It really does suck that we didn't get to see a healthy Murray/Zion/BI/Trey lineup.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 11:53 am to whatiknowsofar
No Dawgs with these new NBA fellas. It just hit us faster.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 4:22 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Zion screwed us.
You see, this is the issue the Zion Stans here will never listen to. It'd break their hearts.
While I won't defend Griff, he's got many faults, it's too difficult to build a team around a player that is never there. Nobody can do it. It would have been better to build around another player and have Z as the ancillary piece.
Now I'll l sit back and wait for the "he played over 60 games last season" and "look at his PER" responses. It's just those that waive that career high around don't have the mental capacity to put together that it's year SIX. You can't build around a guy hoping "after half a decade, maybe this is the year he puts it together."
Zion isn't it. And he never was. Potential without action is just Potential. It gets the same results as someone who is not as talented also not playing.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 4:35 pm to Stiles
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the Zion Stans here
I’m not sure these exist anymore, and if so they’re an endangered species.
I said this in another thread, and I’m not trying to dump on Ingram, but he shares some blame in this too. Since 2022-2023 season, Ingram has only played in 13 more games than Zion. By the time he comes back from his current injury it will probably be single digits.
Griff needs to take some heat here too though. I haven’t seen anyone mention it but a real contributing factor for why we are in this mess is because of the extension he gave to CJ. It was absolutely unnecessary to do it at the time he did and for the price. People were beating the drum at the time that this is going to really hamper our cap flexibility in the future and it has predictably lead to multiple sunk-cost moves. Think of all the things we’ve done (or couldn’t do) the last two years because of the cap/tax crunch. It really was just such an obvious and avoidable misstep
This post was edited on 2/6/25 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 2/6/25 at 4:53 pm to whatiknowsofar
"And we'll never know if his idea worked."
I would have loved to see it. My suspicion, based on very small samples, is that it would have been a lot of fun but frustrating because of defensive and rebounding problems.
Zion, even healthy, is not a dominant rebounder, Theis was not the answer at C, and while promising, Missi needs to develop.
But it would have been sooo nice to see what kinds of shots the team could conjure down the stretch with Murray on the ball, CJ doing crafty stuff, the defense collapsing on Z, and Trey, Ingram, and even Herb lurking at the line and ready to pull the trigger. How freaking painful that we had all these players at the same time and have no real idea of how it might have played out. As the OP says, it's reminiscent of Boogie blowing his knee out. Requiescat in pace, 2024-25 Pelicans Roster. We hardly knew you.
I would have loved to see it. My suspicion, based on very small samples, is that it would have been a lot of fun but frustrating because of defensive and rebounding problems.
Zion, even healthy, is not a dominant rebounder, Theis was not the answer at C, and while promising, Missi needs to develop.
But it would have been sooo nice to see what kinds of shots the team could conjure down the stretch with Murray on the ball, CJ doing crafty stuff, the defense collapsing on Z, and Trey, Ingram, and even Herb lurking at the line and ready to pull the trigger. How freaking painful that we had all these players at the same time and have no real idea of how it might have played out. As the OP says, it's reminiscent of Boogie blowing his knee out. Requiescat in pace, 2024-25 Pelicans Roster. We hardly knew you.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 5:43 pm to TeddyPadillac
And that was without murray. I can imagine we would've only been Better
Posted on 2/6/25 at 6:34 pm to whatiknowsofar
Is Willie Green still the coach in this scenario? If so, no it wouldn’t have worked. This is just as much on Willie as Griff.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 6:51 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Murray healthy
Not sure how many times it needs to be said... but... Murray does not move the needle even on a fully healthy roster. Sure, he's a point guard, so maybe we go from 10-9 play-in team to 8-7 play-in team, but he's been woefully inefficient for much of his career, which is why two teams already move on from him before he turned 28.
Posted on 2/6/25 at 6:55 pm to Broski
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Sure, he's a point guard, so maybe we go from 10-9 play-in team to 8-7 play-in team, but he's been woefully inefficient for much of his career, which is why two teams already move on from him before he turned 28.
Him being more of a facilitator and having less of a role in shot creation and scoring isn't a bad idea. It's more about what he wouldve done to make Ingram and Zions games easier
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