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re: We could have Cole Anthony on this team right now
Posted on 11/23/21 at 1:34 am to brmark70816
Posted on 11/23/21 at 1:34 am to brmark70816
quote:I honestly agree with most of this. I didn't paticularly want the guy either at the time, but I also didn't want Kira Lewis in the slightest either. The fact remains if they had evalated the talent at a better level they take Anthony. Who cares what us idiots on the computer think, they're the professionals.
He does have a point. Nobody thought taking Lewis was a huge reach at the time and nobody was crying over not taking Anthony. Some players are just surprises. Honestly I was a bit leery of the guy after he started to tumble in the draft. Plus we had a horrible experience with Rivers. So I was OK with taking Lewis. He just hasn't developed. It happens.
Hindsight if easy. It would be like someone crowing about us passing on Draymond Green. Every team in the league did the same thing..
To sum up all I read about Kira pre-draft was "really really fast, some potential on offense but not that great at much right now. and fricking tiny". And that's pretty much what we have with him so far
It's funny after I posted this he's had some flashes the last couple of games
But just in general, we could have had a lot guys me and many others DID want on here. Specifically Bey for that draft. Achiuawa has shown flashes and boy would we use some big body PF/C depth. Naxey was mentioned but not a ton as I remember.
But really the disaster was the year before. I mean we stay at 4 just go down the list of good players with a lot of potential we could have had
Oh well
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Posted on 11/23/21 at 4:30 am to danman6336
Crazy how much Cole Anthony's great play is leading to wins for the 4-14 Orlando Magic... Anthony literally solves none of the Pelicans problems. He's a good stats bad team player.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 4:40 am to danman6336
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really the disaster was the year before. I mean we stay at 4 just go down the list of good players with a lot of potential we could have had
I don't know about this. Not that anybody would look, but I was super in love with Culver before that draft. I posted about it over and over. He is a massive bust. Honestly Hunter isn't that great either and is very injury prone.
Other than Garland, I don't see any great players in that draft. At the time, we thought we had the makings of this super great backcourt with Holiday and Ball. Then we had potentially great forwards with Ingram and Zion. So we needed a good Center, hence the reach for Hayes (by far the best Center prospect in the draft). I wouldn't have been shocked if we stayed at 4 that we just took Hayes there. So moving down and getting NAW seemed like a good move at the time.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 7:53 am to brmark70816
I was a huge darius garland fan.
The pels have been needing a point forever and had garland sitting there for the taking.
The pels have been needing a point forever and had garland sitting there for the taking.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 8:30 am to Chalkywhite84
This board hated garland because the stupid pels bloggers to them he sucked & just got numbies on a bad team
Posted on 11/23/21 at 8:34 am to Lester Earl
Didn't he have some personality red flags too? I don't think they were anything major but with Griff's "build a family" philosophy he's avoided anyone that you wouldn't take home to mom. I've wondered if that's why they didn't take Garland. Because he was the swing for the fences player to take. Right position and upside.
This post was edited on 11/23/21 at 8:35 am
Posted on 11/23/21 at 8:49 am to brmark70816
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was super in love with Culver before that draft
Everything that I have seen indicates that Culver is who we were going to take if we stayed at #4, which is why I always laugh when everyone else on this board blasts Griffin for trading down. It wasn't the trading down that was the problem---it was bad scouting. I also think that the draft is a crapshoot, and no one hits every time, but we've missed on both Hayes and Kira, and GMs shouldn't keep their jobs after missing on consecutive lottery picks.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 9:02 am to Bronc
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imho Stan did not see that as his job.
There is a lot of things I don’t agree with Stan on in hindsight, but his treatment of the young guys isn’t one of them.
I think the earn it mentality brought the best we have ever seen out of Jaxson and NAW, and so far they still have not matched their peak output from last season despite offseason to build on it.
Stan saw hayes and naw in practice. and kira.
if they were up to it they play.
no team wins if their 2nd unit is a sieve. also the starters had issues. so its not like stan could hide a young guy.
i saw one game where the camera is in the huddle and stan is ironically wondering if they will play defense. he lost them long before that. maybe never won them.
bye stan.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 9:05 am to GOP_Tiger
Hard to say we missed on Kira when he's still one of the youngest players in the league in his 2nd season.
He's been playing pretty damn good lately, and if he keeps building on this play, there's no way you can say he was a miss.
Hayes and NAW, I can give a pass on as they were hired that offseason and didn't really have a scouting team like they have now. NAW has been better after starting slow shooting, he just seems to make ridiculous mistakes at the worst times, but his shot has come back, so that's progress.
Hayes, well he still has his athleticism and huge upside, at this point he needs a change of scenery, and you have to swap him for someone else's draft disappointment (like Bagley).
He's been playing pretty damn good lately, and if he keeps building on this play, there's no way you can say he was a miss.
Hayes and NAW, I can give a pass on as they were hired that offseason and didn't really have a scouting team like they have now. NAW has been better after starting slow shooting, he just seems to make ridiculous mistakes at the worst times, but his shot has come back, so that's progress.
Hayes, well he still has his athleticism and huge upside, at this point he needs a change of scenery, and you have to swap him for someone else's draft disappointment (like Bagley).
This post was edited on 11/23/21 at 9:12 am
Posted on 11/23/21 at 9:07 am to TigerinATL
They wouldn't consider Garland because of who his agent is.
You dont have a falling out with Klutch, and in the same offseason take their star player in the draft.
You dont have a falling out with Klutch, and in the same offseason take their star player in the draft.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 9:13 am to Lester Earl
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This board hated garland because the stupid pels bloggers to them he sucked & just got numbies on a bad team
I was a huge Garland fan and didn't think there was a drop off in talent from Barrett to Garland at the top of that draft. I don't know where the bloggers got that from considering he only played in five collegiate games.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 10:32 am to kadillak
Most logical people didn't want Garland b/c he was such a risky pick with so much unknown.
He played 4 games in college.........4. He got hurt 2 minutes into the 5th game. No one knew much of anything about him or what he could do.
The best team he played in those 4 games was Liberty, who did win a game in the tourney that year.
Some want to say well we didn't see much of Kryie Irving, yet he went #1. Garland was not Irving. Irving was a potential #1 pick before he played a game at Duke.
Irving played 11 games at Duke. He played against Michigan (sweet 16), Michigan State (2nd round), Butler(National Runner up for 2nd year in a row), Marquette (Jimmy Butler & Crowder Final Four team), Kansas State (sweet 16), Arizona (Elite 8), Oregon (won CBI tourney). They lost one of those games, to Arizona, and Irving led his team in points and +/-.
He played 4 games in college.........4. He got hurt 2 minutes into the 5th game. No one knew much of anything about him or what he could do.
The best team he played in those 4 games was Liberty, who did win a game in the tourney that year.
Some want to say well we didn't see much of Kryie Irving, yet he went #1. Garland was not Irving. Irving was a potential #1 pick before he played a game at Duke.
Irving played 11 games at Duke. He played against Michigan (sweet 16), Michigan State (2nd round), Butler(National Runner up for 2nd year in a row), Marquette (Jimmy Butler & Crowder Final Four team), Kansas State (sweet 16), Arizona (Elite 8), Oregon (won CBI tourney). They lost one of those games, to Arizona, and Irving led his team in points and +/-.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 10:40 am to kadillak
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I was a huge Garland fan and didn't think there was a drop off in talent from Barrett to Garland at the top of that draft. I don't know where the bloggers got that from considering he only played in five collegiate games.
Yep, was also a big Garland fan and not a fan of moving back.
You didn't need to see a huge sample size to see that Garland's mechanics were rock solid and his skillset shooting the ball was perfectly aligned with how the game was trending. That he was great off and on the ball, which would be complimentary for our team.
It, again, was Griff and his ego hurting this team. Thinking he knew better than GM's like Schlenk and the collective wisdom of NBA historical data about moving down in drafts.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 10:59 am to Bronc
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It, again, was Griff and his ego hurting this team. Thinking he knew better than GM's like Schlenk and the collective wisdom of NBA historical data about moving down in drafts.
this is what bothers me the most. It just rarely if ever works out well for you when you trade down in the draft.
Like you said, he thinks he's the smart one and that's his problem, b/c he's a dumbass.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 11:30 am to TeddyPadillac
And like I said, if we stayed at 4, we were likely taking Culver, so the problem wasn't that we moved down. The problem was the bad scouting.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 12:01 pm to GOP_Tiger
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And like I said, if we stayed at 4, we were likely taking Culver, so the problem wasn't that we moved down. The problem was the bad scouting.
you are correct.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 2:13 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
Most logical people didn't want Garland b/c he was such a risky pick with so much unknown.
He played 4 games in college.........4. He got hurt 2 minutes into the 5th game. No one knew much of anything about him or what he could do.
The best team he played in those 4 games was Liberty, who did win a game in the tourney that year.
Eh, there was a ton of tape on Garland before college with and against high level talent. He tore up the EYBL circuit, was a 5 star recruit who could pick whatever school in the country, played Eurocamp with Zion and Reddish. The college sample size would have been nice, but it's not this super necessary resume item when you consistently flash ability for years in front of NBA executives and even the common draft junkie can stream these high level games and form their own takes.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 5:45 pm to Lester Earl
I didnt.
The pels needed a lead guard which garland would've fit from day one.
He can score, shoot the 3, and distribute.
The pels needed a lead guard which garland would've fit from day one.
He can score, shoot the 3, and distribute.
Posted on 11/23/21 at 5:51 pm to Bronc
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You didn't need to see a huge sample size to see that Garland's mechanics were rock solid and his skillset shooting the ball was perfectly aligned with how the game was trending. That he was great off and on the ball, which would be complimentary for our team.
This is exactly what i saw. His shot was so smooth. You knew that would translate.
To have a chance at that player to then pick naw and goofy arse sideshow bob is just tough to swallow.
On top of that the pels had been needing a point guard. I never got the love for naw or hayes.
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