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re: Tyreke Evans doesn't play because of "an internal matter"
Posted on 2/10/14 at 12:55 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 2/10/14 at 12:55 pm to Fun Bunch
I think you're right and for that reason, we'll be stuck in medocrity for AT LEAST next season. I do think we'll be improved and these injuries have made Monty showcase AD, which should help the supporting cast. With glaring holes at 2 out of 5 positions, we lack real direction.
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 12:57 pm to Fun Bunch
yup
i've come to terms with Gordon playing out his whole current contract in NOLA. i'm just praying he doesn't end up here for another 10 years.
i've come to terms with Gordon playing out his whole current contract in NOLA. i'm just praying he doesn't end up here for another 10 years.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 12:58 pm to danman6336
I would be shocked if the combination occurred of the team offering Gordon another contract and Gordon accepting it.
...it's inevitable, imo...that's why it would be nice to move on as soon as possible....and because he's just not good for his contract
...it's inevitable, imo...that's why it would be nice to move on as soon as possible....and because he's just not good for his contract
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 2/10/14 at 1:02 pm to danman6336
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You think he's gonna get traded ATL?
No. Tyreke is frustrated and he should be frustrated. Monty benched him because that's what most coaches would do with an insubordinate player that wasn't your superstar. Sheridan Hoops made a mountain out of a mole hill because no one clicks on stories that say "Nothing to see here."
Give Tyreke spacing and let him do his thing. I'd have concern if the complaints were about defense, but they seem to focus exclusively on the offensive end. Not a big deal, health and swapping Gordon for better parts solves those problems.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 1:03 pm to CQQ
I don't think its out of the question that we make multiple trades this offseason. Judging from Dell's MO, we almost certainly will. I also think we use up our MLE and all available space. So in theory ,we can add a 3 or 5...or both. We will make some moves.
The roster will look a bit different next year I'm sure.
I just don't think those moves come before the deadline. As time passes Gordon's contract will start to be more and more attractive. As will Tyreke's.
The roster will look a bit different next year I'm sure.
I just don't think those moves come before the deadline. As time passes Gordon's contract will start to be more and more attractive. As will Tyreke's.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 1:08 pm to Fun Bunch
Getting a legit defend/rebound C that can bang around and score on the low block has to be the biggest priority. I think we can live with Aminu/Babbit/Miller/whatever at SF. This franchise is stuck in neutral without a decent C.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 1:09 pm to danman6336
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i've come to terms with Gordon playing out his whole current contract in NOLA.
I think we may be forced to trade him around the next (2015) draft if he doesn't opt out, even if it costs us assets. I haven't found any solid details on the rules, but I think AD signing an extension rather than hitting FA means his deal would kick in on July 1st meaning we need Gordon off the books for the offseason before AD's extension starts if we want to sign FAs with his salary slot.
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 2/10/14 at 1:11 pm to TigerinATL
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I think we may be forced to trade him around the next (2015) draft if he doesn't opt out,
We may be forced to deal him before that.
IIRC, the restrictions on his deal are that we can't trade him in the final year of it without his approval.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 1:22 pm to teke184
I still don't understand why Tyreke didn't start in place of Jrue once he was injured?
Does anyone have an idea why this was the case?
Does anyone have an idea why this was the case?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 1:38 pm to danman6336
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Getting a legit defend/rebound C that can bang around and score on the low block has to be the biggest priority. I think we can live with Aminu/Babbit/Miller/whatever at SF. This franchise is stuck in neutral without a decent C.
Aminu and Tyreke are way too similar offensively to really fit. They are both good driving to the rim, but offer very little on the outside. Aminu does more defensively for you. Tyreke is definitely better on the offensive end.
I think it would be interesting to see what kind of truly workable lineups we truly have and how you can rotate them. I think it would be interesting to discuss pros and coins of each lineup.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 1:39 pm to Domingo Ayala
He hasn't logged any time at the 1 all year
9% of the teams minutes at SG
34% of the minutes at SF
I guess we can't have it both ways. Production at SF is lacking, so we play Evans there. If he plays PG then that means more time with crappy players at the 3.
9% of the teams minutes at SG
34% of the minutes at SF
I guess we can't have it both ways. Production at SF is lacking, so we play Evans there. If he plays PG then that means more time with crappy players at the 3.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 1:43 pm to Domingo Ayala
Monty is stuck in his position of Tyreke coming off the bench.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 1:46 pm to GynoSandberg
It's just frustrating to see Roberts become the starter when Jrue goes down while Tyreke continues to ride the bench.
I don't understand how are front office doesn't tell Monty to replace Jrue with the guy we pay 10Mill a year too. Yes, we may have acquired Tyreke to be the second unit's catalyst, but when injuries happen good teams make adjustments.
I don't understand how are front office doesn't tell Monty to replace Jrue with the guy we pay 10Mill a year too. Yes, we may have acquired Tyreke to be the second unit's catalyst, but when injuries happen good teams make adjustments.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 1:47 pm to danman6336
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Getting a legit defend/rebound C that can bang around and score on the low block has to be the biggest priority.
...not a cheap commodity or easy to get a hold of
any signing at C that demands minutes will likely mean the end of Ryan Anderson.
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 2/10/14 at 1:51 pm to drake20
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...Josh Smith is also a good player. This season in Detroit has been a disaster so far, but he's been dominant his last three games.
He is a decent individual basketball player.
He's selfish and he plays like he's at the rec playing pick up games instead of playing like a teammate and trying to win.
No reason for him to shoot three's or mid range jumpers as often as he does.
He's on pace to shoot over 200 3's this year, which he did last year as well, while shooting 23%. Quit fricking shooting threes moron. I guess he feels like he needs to take the three's joe johnson isn't taking.
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And also, other than this season, Josh Smith has been a very good player.
He's was a good player when he had Joe Johnson and Jamall Crawford. He's a good role player, but he doesn't want to be a role player. He's looked pretty shitty since Joe Johnson left.
He's a terrible free throw shooter, who's getting to the line less than he used to. He shoots under 50% from the field, b/c he shoots to many jumpers and threes.
Atlanta wasn't that great, but the best season they had was the '10 season. Smith took 7 threes that year for some reason. Ironically, worked out great for the team in terms of winning. Only year he shot over 50% from the field in his career.
His season thus far in Detroit hasn't been good considering he's at or approaching career lows in FG%, 3FG%, FT%, Rebounds, and Blocks and PER.
He's on pace to have a season with his second highest output of shots taken, yet it doesn't seem to be helping his scoring.
DO NOT WANT FOR ANY REASON
Posted on 2/10/14 at 4:30 pm to saints63213
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Gordon isnt half the player Reke is
Posted on 2/10/14 at 5:59 pm to LoneyROY7
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This franchise is stuck in neutral without a decent C.
Tim Duncan won titles playing next to Rasho Nesterovic and Fabricio Oberto (almost Tiago Splitter too). Kevin Garnett won a title next to Kendrick Perkins/Leon Powe combination. So, you're wrong. We need a C (or maybe 2) who knows his role, executes his role to perfection, doesn't make mental errors, and plays to his strengths- basically making AD's life a little easier. We don't need twin towers necessarily, look how that's working out for Detroit...
Posted on 2/10/14 at 6:16 pm to NOLAbaby
Tim Duncan also had Gregg Popavich.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 6:29 pm to NOLAbaby
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Tim Duncan won titles playing next to Rasho Nesterovic and Fabricio Oberto (almost Tiago Splitter too). Kevin Garnett won a title next to Kendrick Perkins/Leon Powe combination. So, you're wrong. We need a C (or maybe 2) who knows his role, executes his role to perfection, doesn't make mental errors, and plays to his strengths- basically making AD's life a little easier. We don't need twin towers necessarily, look how that's working out for Detroit...
I agree
Posted on 2/10/14 at 7:00 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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truly workable lineups we truly have and how you can rotate them
I'll give it a whirl. I'm going to avoid traditional positions because they dont work with this group. I'll make arbitrary roles and go from there. Also using a healthy roster because it's way too depressing otherwise
Attackers:
Holiday, Gordon, Evans, Rivers
Shooters:
Anderson, Holiday, Gordon, Morrow, Rivers, Roberts, Babbitt, Miller
Rebounders:
Davis, Anjica, Aminu
Rim Protectors:
Davis, Anjica, Withey, Steimsma
Obvious exclusion of defense (that list would be small anyway). To me they don't have enough muscle and the muscle they do have is very limited.
This is where the fatal flaws are. Monty is scared of getting killed by going small, rightly so. Putting a lineup together that has enough rebounding is very, very difficult. And when you do that, there are huge trade offs elsewhere.
They do have enough shooting, but those guys are mostly small (sub 6-4). With Anderson out, bigs other than Davis are zeroes on offense.
The problems for me come in a lack of wings and a scheme that seems too rigid:
League is littered with tweeners (~ 6-8) that offer varying skills. Getting more of those guys who can play 3/4 would help this roster. Finding a capable 5 is harder, but they don't need an all-star, just a smart, tough player there.
With 2 or 3 guys capable of attacking off the bounce and shooters on hand, we should be seeing better spacing and more ball movement to create seams to attack. Instead they appear to be relying on a guy to be Chris Paul or Vasquez to break a team down.
Its hard to judge because injuries have haunted this team all year, but I do have my doubts about the master plan Demps and Monty had when assembling and deploying this roster. Even as a way to find pieces around Davis.
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