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re: Trey Murphy will be a part of the USA Basketball Select Team
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:08 am to shel311
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:08 am to shel311
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Banchero was just a rookie, but his ceiling is much higher than Trey as well, so I could see thinking he's better than Trey, as he'll likely be better this coming season.
Interesting you use higher ceiling for Paolo being ranked as the better player, but don't consider Trey's ceiling when comparing him to Brunson or Haliburton... Unless you think Trey has reached his ceiling???
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Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:13 am to GynoSandberg
quote:We're gonna need sensitivity training for Pels Talk posters with how easily some of our posters get pissy over nothing posts.
Great Value lesster earl
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:16 am to 3PieceSpicy
quote:Poster gave his opinion on how good Trey Murphy is compared to the FIBA team, then got upset when another poster gave his opinion on how good Trey Murphy is compared to the FIBA team. It is what it is.
Dude simply politely pointed out Haliburton and Brunson are better than Trey Murphy, supported it with stats, and you turned it into a thing.
What are you on bro? Lol
We all love Trey here, but occasional realism should be welcomed on this board.
This post was edited on 7/22/23 at 10:18 am
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:32 am to TackySweater
quote:
THIS is Team USA?
How many of these FIBA tournaments have you watched or paid attention to?
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:43 am to TackySweater
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THIS is Team USA?
Haliburton
Anthony Edwards
Bridges
BI
JJJ
Banchero/ Brunson
Are you upset because you don’t think these guys are actually good?
Or are you upset because none of them are 35 y/o stars that don’t give a frick about the World Cup?
Posted on 7/22/23 at 10:56 am to Dantheman504
He likely thinks this is for the Olympics.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 1:00 pm to Dantheman504
This is essentially a B team for the FIBA championships, and I think it’s pretty frickin good for a B team.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 2:30 pm to DallasTiger45
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This is essentially a B team for the FIBA championships, and I think it’s pretty frickin good for a B team.
2-3 these guys might be on the A team next year. JJJ is a strong candidate, Edwards is too. Ingram, Haliburton Bridges and Paolo all have opportunities to cement a spot.
Last cycles team Captain, Kevin Durant, along with Steph and company probably aren’t playing next
Posted on 7/22/23 at 2:39 pm to DallasTiger45
I wouldn’t even call it a B team.
There are maybe 5 players at PG/ SG that are better than Ant or Hali.
1. Steph
2. D. Mitchell
3. D. Booker
4. SGA (not eligible)
5. Luka (not eligible)
6. Ja
7. Dame
Honorable mention: Garland, Fox, LaMelo, Young, Kyrie, Brunson, Beal, Harden, Lavine, Bane, Brown.
Same thing with BI and Bridges
1. Jimmy
2. Tatum
3. KD (old)
3. Kawhi (old)
4. Lebron (old)
5. DeRozan (old)
7. Paul George (old)
Honorable mention: Middleton, MPJ, Bogdonavic
Any think I’m far off or missing people?
There are maybe 5 players at PG/ SG that are better than Ant or Hali.
1. Steph
2. D. Mitchell
3. D. Booker
4. SGA (not eligible)
5. Luka (not eligible)
6. Ja
7. Dame
Honorable mention: Garland, Fox, LaMelo, Young, Kyrie, Brunson, Beal, Harden, Lavine, Bane, Brown.
Same thing with BI and Bridges
1. Jimmy
2. Tatum
3. KD (old)
3. Kawhi (old)
4. Lebron (old)
5. DeRozan (old)
7. Paul George (old)
Honorable mention: Middleton, MPJ, Bogdonavic
Any think I’m far off or missing people?
Posted on 7/22/23 at 3:04 pm to 2DayWuzAGoodDay2
quote:
Don’t consider Trey’s Ceiling when comparing him to Brunson or Haliburton
Brunson just averaged 24 and 6 on 49,41,83
And he also averaged 28 and 6 in the playoffs.
As a 5 ft 10, number 1 option. Age 26. Right in his prime. He’s arguably a better number 1 option than Zion or Ingram bc he stayed healthy and dragged the Knicks to the 2nd rd.
You think Trey’s potential is going to be anywhere near that?
Haliburton just averaged 21 and 11 on 49/40/87 and he’s the exact same age as Trey.
You think Trey’s potential is anywhere near that?
You think Trey will get better at age 23, but Haliburton won’t?
Come on man.
Trey is an elite role player. Think of him as a Rudy Gobert sized Klay Thompson with a Vince Carter Esque Vertical and just be happy.
If Trey’s ever the best player on a team, that team is winning 7 games. But if he can be an elite shooting 3rd option with a healthy Zion and Ingram, he’s arguably a championship piece.
This post was edited on 7/22/23 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 7/22/23 at 3:31 pm to 3PieceSpicy
quote:
Think of him as a Rudy Gobert sized Klay Thompson with a Vince Carter Esque Vertical and just be happy.
I'm sorry bro THIS is not a role player, you just combine 3 stars best attribute gave them to 1 guy, and then say he's a role player??? Come on...
I think Trey's potential surpasses both Brunsen and Haliburton, they were not who they are until put in the situations they're currently in. Trey if given the role of either Brunsen or Haliburten could easily surpass them... he could potentially put up their scoring numbers off the bench in the situation he's in now.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 3:38 pm to 2DayWuzAGoodDay2
These guys can do something trey can't. They can play on ball as the #1 option on their teams. These guys are consistently being guarded by opposing teams best players as well as being schemed to be stopped on defense. Trey isn't capable of that. At least not yet. Trey cannot be put in that type of role unless you want him to fail.
Paul George said once defenses start to scheme to stop you as a top option, everything becomes a lot harder. And for good reason.
Paul George said once defenses start to scheme to stop you as a top option, everything becomes a lot harder. And for good reason.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 3:44 pm to supe12sta12z
quote:
These guys are consistently being guarded by opposing teams best players as well as being schemed to be stopped on defense. Trey isn't capable of that. At least not yet.
How can you definitively say that when he hasn't been asked to play that role, the few times he was asked to play in the starting line up due to injury he stepped up, unless you think we've seen his ceiling you can't say he can't play the #1 role when that hasn't been asked of him yet.
All I know is this, if there was a draft and the top 3 players were Trey, Brunsen, and Haliburton... I'm taking Trey #1 everytime.
This post was edited on 7/22/23 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 7/22/23 at 3:59 pm to 2DayWuzAGoodDay2
quote:
All I know is this, if there was a draft and the top 3 players were Trey, Brunsen, and Haliburton... I'm taking Trey #1 everytime.
Then you’re just biased, Trey would not go over those two right now.
I love Trey and think he has top 25 player in the league potential, and I think when it’s all said and done he will be considered a better player than BI, but he’s not there yet and may never actually even see that.
Halliburton and Brunson are already there.
This post was edited on 7/22/23 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 7/22/23 at 4:13 pm to Soggymoss
quote:
Then you’re just biased, Trey would not go over those two right now.
Players are drafted off POTENTIAL all the time, that is why I keep saying unless you think he's reached his ceiling there's no reason to put those guys over him.
As far as Brunsen and Haliburton being on BI's level, I definitely don't see it absolutely no one is making a trade package around Brunsen or Haliburton, you can actually do that with BI.
In truth I see both Brunsen and Haliburton the same way Trey was described earlier "elite role players", I think both of them has maxed their potential whereas Trey hasn't even scratched the surface. If put in either one of them situation Trey would be the better player. That's not Fandom talking that's based on physical attributes and the skills all 3 bring to the table. The difference is opportunity and what is asked of each player.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 4:22 pm to 2DayWuzAGoodDay2
quote:You do realize his offensive game is very limited in general, much less compared to those 2, right?
I think Trey's potential surpasses both Brunsen and Haliburton, they were not who they are until put in the situations they're currently in. Trey if given the role of either Brunsen or Haliburten could easily surpass them... he could potentially put up their scoring numbers off the bench in the situation he's in now.
All of us Pels fans were flipping out late last season just because he showed glimpses of having more than just an elite 3pt shot. Just glimpses. He has a looooooong ways to go and realistically speaking, has very little shot of having an offensive game as good as Brunson and especially Haliburton who is the same age as him and already an absolute stud.
quote:There is zero chance he can put up 24ppg off the bench in the situation he's in now.
he could potentially put up their scoring numbers off the bench in the situation he's in now.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 4:26 pm to 2DayWuzAGoodDay2
quote:Have you watched him play and watched the times he did try to make plays in iso situations? If you did, that's how you know. It's very obvious he's just not there yet, and not close to be honest.
How can you definitively say that when he hasn't been asked to play that role
Put it this way, if he were on that level, when we had a shite ton of injuries last season, we would have seen him do it, but he didn't. And when he tried, it looked pretty bad, until we caught glimpses late in the season.
quote:Not as a lead creator like Haliburton or Brunson.
the few times he was asked to play in the starting line up due to injury he stepped up
quote:Trey will never be a #1 on a team that will be good. And that's ok, because he can be a perfect #3 on our team once his game rounds out a bit more, hopefully as early as next season.
unless you think we've seen his ceiling you can't say he can't play the #1 role when that hasn't been asked of him yet.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 4:29 pm to 2DayWuzAGoodDay2
quote:I don't get why you keep saying that. One can simply think he hasn't reached his ceiling but his ceiling isn't as high as Brunson or Haliburton, so no clue why you keep saying this.
that is why I keep saying unless you think he's reached his ceiling there's no reason to put those guys over him.
quote:Brunson was the best player on a team better than BI and performed better than BI just last season, so the better question is, can we argue that BI is on Brunson's level, that's the more logical debate to be had. Brunson is a better passer, scored more and scored more efficiently and again, was the #1 on a 2nd round playoff team.
As far as Brunsen and Haliburton being on BI's level,
quote:It's definitely fandom talking, zero non Pels fans would agree. Haliburton just averged 21 and 10 assists, Trey can't do that.
If put in either one of them situation Trey would be the better player. That's not Fandom talking
Posted on 7/22/23 at 4:52 pm to 2DayWuzAGoodDay2
I’ve been using that comp for over a year and it’s just mainly just a cute hyperbole that has some truth to it.
Bc he’s basically 80-85% of each of those things, not a full 100% of each of them.
The difference between Trey and Brunson is Brunson is a shot creator that can create his own shot in high leverage playoff situations.
Brunson has now outperformed and beaten Donovan Mitchell in 2 separate playoff series. (Luka missed 2-3 games in the Utah-Dallas series last season).
Haliburton is one of the best pure point guards in the league and he also creates his own shot. Indy actually wins at a pretty high clip in games that Haliburton plays.
Trey is a great shooter that plays off of other player’s gravity (Zion/Ingram)
He isn’t really creating shots for others. He has the ability to potentially create more floor space for Ingram and Zion. While that’s awesome for our setup, that’s a lot different than being an all star level guard like Brunson or Haliburton and being the top dog on a team.
Bc he’s basically 80-85% of each of those things, not a full 100% of each of them.
The difference between Trey and Brunson is Brunson is a shot creator that can create his own shot in high leverage playoff situations.
Brunson has now outperformed and beaten Donovan Mitchell in 2 separate playoff series. (Luka missed 2-3 games in the Utah-Dallas series last season).
Haliburton is one of the best pure point guards in the league and he also creates his own shot. Indy actually wins at a pretty high clip in games that Haliburton plays.
Trey is a great shooter that plays off of other player’s gravity (Zion/Ingram)
He isn’t really creating shots for others. He has the ability to potentially create more floor space for Ingram and Zion. While that’s awesome for our setup, that’s a lot different than being an all star level guard like Brunson or Haliburton and being the top dog on a team.
This post was edited on 7/22/23 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 7/23/23 at 9:26 am to BigPerm30
quote:
You must exhaust your wife or boyfriend. Someone could say the sky is blue and you’d argue about it
SFP has mellowed a bit through the years. Somebody had to step up to fill that void.
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