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re: This article is pretty damning - Inside Draft Night - Shamit
Posted on 7/3/25 at 1:05 pm to spaghettioeauxs
Posted on 7/3/25 at 1:05 pm to spaghettioeauxs
quote:You are completely missing the point! It may not, it may. The concern is - why take that unnecessary risk? We may luck out and the pick not be as valuable as it could be. However, why not protect it? Would you prefer to have a parachute when you jump out of a plane just in case you do not have a soft landing?
It’s just hilarious how everyone on here is dead set that pick will convey into a top 3 pick
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Posted on 7/3/25 at 1:08 pm to NOSHAU
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You are completely missing the point! It may not, it may. The concern is - why take that unnecessary risk? We may luck out and the pick not be as valuable as it could be. However, why not protect it? Would you prefer to have a parachute when you jump out of a plane just in case you do not have a soft landing?
Couldn’t agree more. It’s much more likely Queen is a non factor and the pick is top 3 than Queen becomes an all star with the pick in the 20s.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 1:12 pm to spaghettioeauxs
"Gimme Queen, bunch of pussies in here"
100%
100%
Posted on 7/3/25 at 1:22 pm to Jar_Jar_80
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Griff actually traded away a real top 5 pick that became an all star pg for Jaxson Hayes and NAW but now some of the very people who called Griff a snake oil salesman are drinking his kool aid.
And this why I said he was horrible. The trade for Steven Adams was bad, his failure to pull the trigger for Lauri M for Ball, his all in to sign Kyle Lowery was stupid, trading a first for Devonte Graham. List goes on and on.
I’ll give Dumars credit, I like Queen the prospect and I was hoping for Fears after the big two were taken. There’s a chance this doesn’t blow up in his face and he comes out looking smart.
Like someone said that’s a perfect analogy, he went gambling with the rent money. It could end terribly, and it usually does, but he could come out golden.
This post was edited on 7/3/25 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 7/3/25 at 1:30 pm to Geauxldilocks
Feels like everyone would feel better about this trade if Willie Green wasn’t head coach either. Never seen a coach blown so many leads like Willie.
This post was edited on 7/3/25 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 7/3/25 at 1:33 pm to NOSHAU
Yes, it’s a risk and a risk I’m all for. We suck, I’m tired of sucking. Adding Queen to this roster increases our chances of not sucking a lot more than a draft pick a year off. We didn’t trade 5 1sts for Mikal Bridges or 5 1sts and SGA for Paul George. It’s a 1 draft risk, we got the Big 10 Freshman of the Year, a kid who was called upon to hit the game winning shot in the NCAA Tournament, you take a chance on that when you’re the Pels. We don’t get FAs, we have to draft, sometimes that means moving up aggressively.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 2:05 pm to VOR
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Griff was never as bad as a lot of you thought…
This. Griff & company drafted well and did an excellent job of developing those players into quality NBA guys.
His shortcomings were waiting too long to make obvious trades when the player needing to be traded was at their highest value (B.I. & Lonzo), and the cuddling of Zion.
He was quick to make moves with the coaching staff when needed. He fired SVG quickly and hired Borrego when it was obvious Willie's offensive mind sucked.
He received a lot of blame, but the real blame should be attributed to Zion and B.I. being hurt for 70% of the available games to be played. The team was never going to succeed because of this. We made it to the play-in (And playoffs), and we got two quarters total out of our best player.
Griff wasn't stellar by any means, but I think he was a solid "B."
Posted on 7/3/25 at 2:17 pm to 504Voodoo
Idiot had plenty of time to find a big to pair with Zion, yet he gave up assets to get Adams, then gave up assets to get rid of him and get JV, then let JV go for nothing, then went with a rookie who wasn't a 3 point shooter and Theis this past year as the only viable 5's on the roster, and.....
at no point in the last 6 years did we ever have a backup 4/small ball 5 that could shoot a 3, which is the ideal backup player we need to pair with Zion.
He was a terrible GM. Just b/c Dumars is already looking worse doesn't make Griff even remotely good.
at no point in the last 6 years did we ever have a backup 4/small ball 5 that could shoot a 3, which is the ideal backup player we need to pair with Zion.
He was a terrible GM. Just b/c Dumars is already looking worse doesn't make Griff even remotely good.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 2:22 pm to spaghettioeauxs
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We don’t get FAs, we have to draft, sometimes that means moving up aggressively.
This is the tough part about being a beta small market franchise. The odds are stacked against us so we feel forced to execute these desperate trades to improve. OKC showed a model for small makers but they have competent owners and management.
We do not, dark days ahead.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 2:35 pm to Geauxldilocks
OKC is an outlier of all outliers. The PG trade was one of the worst trades in NBA history, not to mention they happened upon the 2nd overall pick to get Chet right before they emerged. Good luck repeating what OKC did.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 4:08 pm to CP3forMVP
Reading this thread is what i assume the gossip column comments are like about an article about how awful men are at dating. Just a bunch of bitches in here crying about what they think could happen.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 4:12 pm to spaghettioeauxs
quote:
It’s just hilarious how everyone on here is dead set that pick will convey into a top 3 pick
What are you talking about? It is a guaranteed top 3 pick. It's a guaranteed first pick.
Remember, the Pels finished 4th worst this year, so we had a guaranteed top pick this year...oh wait.
We had a top 3 pick this year...oh wait.
Ok, top 4, we finished 4th worst after all...oh wait.
Certainly top 5...oh wait.
Yes yes yes, top 6...oh wait.
We could wait and see what happens, but if you ever saw the 1976 movie Midway, you will remember this line: "The wait-and-seers will get every time." They had a deal to get a guy they rated #6 in the draft and the cost was a single first round pick. Or, they could wait and see and play the lottery percentages. What is the probability of being pulled in the lottery again?
This post was edited on 7/3/25 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 7/3/25 at 4:21 pm to CP3forMVP
They are the target. Sad situation.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 4:55 pm to NOSHAU
quote:been a few of these unnecessary risks already with Dumars
why take that unnecessary risk?
Posted on 7/3/25 at 8:09 pm to Macintosh
We will know in a year if it was the right moves or wrong moves between where our pick and pacers pick falls.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 8:40 pm to CP3forMVP
Yep, the consensus is that it was a suck move, but I’m done thinking about it.
It serves no purpose to re-hash it…
It serves no purpose to re-hash it…
Posted on 7/3/25 at 9:52 pm to spaghettioeauxs
quote:Again, completely missing the point. Guess you just are not going to understand the obvious.
Yes, it’s a risk and a risk I’m all for. We suck, I’m tired of sucking. Adding Queen to this roster increases our chances of not sucking a lot more than a draft pick a year off. We didn’t trade 5 1sts for Mikal Bridges or 5 1sts and SGA for Paul George. It’s a 1 draft risk, we got the Big 10 Freshman of the Year, a kid who was called upon to hit the game winning shot in the NCAA Tournament, you take a chance on that when you’re the Pels. We don’t get FAs, we have to draft, sometimes that means moving up aggressively.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 10:14 pm to Geauxldilocks
quote:
You are completely missing the point! It may not, it may. The concern is - why take that unnecessary risk? We may luck out and the pick not be as valuable as it could be. However, why not protect it? Would you prefer to have a parachute when you jump out of a plane just in case you do not have a soft landing?
Couldn’t agree more. It’s much more likely Queen is a non factor and the pick is top 3 than Queen becomes an all star with the pick in the 20s.
Actually you don't get it at all you dumbass troll. How good Queen turns out to be is not the point. Its the fact that we gave up way more than we needed to or should have to go up from 23 to 13. Its like paying $500,000 for a house you could have got for $400,000. Even if you love the house it was dumb to pay way more for it than you had to.
Posted on 7/3/25 at 10:18 pm to Macintosh
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quality nba front offices took advantage of that
Ah yes, the Atlanta Hawks, a quality NBA front office
Posted on 7/3/25 at 10:32 pm to NOSHAU
Your point is that the pick should have been protected? I don’t care. Decision has been made, out of our control. Time to move on.
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