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There has to be major training staff changes this offseason.
Posted on 2/12/23 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 2/12/23 at 2:17 pm
Even if these guys are just soft and injury prone, there has to be major changes even if it’s for Pr purposes.
This cannot continue.
This cannot continue.
Posted on 2/12/23 at 2:29 pm to Fun Bunch
I just looked up the team doctors and while they do work for Ochsner, they do seem reasonably qualified.
Dr. Scott Montgomery
Dr. Andrew Gottschalk
That doesn't mean the Pels shouldn't try to change/upgrade, just that I was half expecting doctors less experienced with high level sports medicine.
Dr. Scott Montgomery
Dr. Andrew Gottschalk
That doesn't mean the Pels shouldn't try to change/upgrade, just that I was half expecting doctors less experienced with high level sports medicine.
Posted on 2/12/23 at 2:29 pm to Fun Bunch
That might help with guys like Ingram, Jose, Larry, etc. But I'm accepting reality that Zion is not built to have a long, healthy career.
It's not natural. The best NBA players, outside of maybe Shaq, are long and lean or extremely fit like Lebron, Malone.
I don't think any training staff can fix his problem. He's too big for his body and style of play.
It's not natural. The best NBA players, outside of maybe Shaq, are long and lean or extremely fit like Lebron, Malone.
I don't think any training staff can fix his problem. He's too big for his body and style of play.
Posted on 2/12/23 at 2:33 pm to ghost2most
I’m not even talking about even helping to be honest.
They have to do it even if it’s for appearances.
They have to do it even if it’s for appearances.
Posted on 2/12/23 at 2:37 pm to Fun Bunch
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They have to do it even if it’s for appearances.
I do think there is something going on with Benson's teams.
This is not just a Pels issue. The Saints miss on average wayyyy more time than most NFL teams.
It's been like this for years. It's ridiculous.
Posted on 2/12/23 at 2:38 pm to Fun Bunch
All this talk about how great Aaron Nelson is with injury prevention and longevity and we have one of the most injury prone rosters to show for it. You're 100% right and it will be deeply concerning if nothing changes before next season.
Posted on 2/12/23 at 3:01 pm to tehchampion140
Aaron Nelson's "genius" seems to be in not letting guys back on the court until they're absolutely 100% healthy. The prevention part seems laughable, at this point.
Posted on 2/12/23 at 3:14 pm to tehchampion140
quote:
All this talk about how great Aaron Nelson is with injury prevention and longevity and we have one of the most injury prone rosters to show for it.
There’s been “whispers” since he was hired that Nelson is not held as highly in league circles as he once was, and the results definitely support that.
Posted on 2/12/23 at 3:14 pm to Fun Bunch
sAINTS have the same BS too. Just look at some of the injury cancers on that team too.
Posted on 2/12/23 at 6:22 pm to TigerinATL
Oschner is like the Cox of Healthcare. They buy up everything and don't really care about quality of service. My wife and I had our first child there and will never do it again.
Posted on 2/12/23 at 8:31 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 2/12/23 at 8:34 pm to Fun Bunch
Remember, Zion has his own personal trainer, Jasper Bibbs
Not much the Pels can do internally when Zion’s main guy is his own. A guy that was fired from LSU and the Jazz.
Not much the Pels can do internally when Zion’s main guy is his own. A guy that was fired from LSU and the Jazz.
Posted on 2/12/23 at 8:40 pm to Bronc
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Remember, Zion has his own personal trainer, Jasper Bibbs
Not much the Pels can do internally when Zion’s main guy is his own. A guy that was fired from LSU and the Jazz.
more crummy info.
its nearly hopeless.
i vaguely remember all that now thanks.
now it has context.
Posted on 2/12/23 at 10:49 pm to Bronc
Jasper Bibbs makes no decisions regarding when Zion is ready for exercise progression and ready for participation in team activities. He also doesn’t decide injury timelines. When a team has guys who are constantly out either for the maximum or longer than the maximum time an injury should take, it’s a problem.
These guys get treatment constantly, multiple times daily. Every workout should be tracked even if it is with a personal trainer. A setback two months into the rehab for a grade 2 hamstring is unacceptable. More than likely, something was not handled correctly. This team needs to win some games or don’t be surprised if they shut Zion down for the season again.
When your best player only plays 29 games in two years because of setbacks during 2 separate rehabs, your second best player misses 45+ games in two years for injuries that shouldn’t take that long, and finally your top 10 draft pick has three ankle injuries in 6 months that cause him to miss time, it’s not a great look for your training staff and their ability to rehabilitate and prevent injuries.
I don’t know how they delegate responsibilities on rehab and exercise progression. Is it a doctor’s call? Is it Nelson with autonomy? It doesn’t matter, honestly. It just has to change at this point.
These guys get treatment constantly, multiple times daily. Every workout should be tracked even if it is with a personal trainer. A setback two months into the rehab for a grade 2 hamstring is unacceptable. More than likely, something was not handled correctly. This team needs to win some games or don’t be surprised if they shut Zion down for the season again.
When your best player only plays 29 games in two years because of setbacks during 2 separate rehabs, your second best player misses 45+ games in two years for injuries that shouldn’t take that long, and finally your top 10 draft pick has three ankle injuries in 6 months that cause him to miss time, it’s not a great look for your training staff and their ability to rehabilitate and prevent injuries.
I don’t know how they delegate responsibilities on rehab and exercise progression. Is it a doctor’s call? Is it Nelson with autonomy? It doesn’t matter, honestly. It just has to change at this point.
Posted on 2/12/23 at 10:57 pm to ThePistol
quote:I posted a study earlier about hamstring injuries to NBA players. This stinks, but it's completely normal and would be more expected than a player not having a setback.
A setback two months into the rehab for a grade 2 hamstring is unacceptable
quote:Based on what, considering the rate of setbacks in hamstring injuries of NBA players?
More than likely, something was not handled correctly
Posted on 2/12/23 at 11:21 pm to shel311
Where did you post this? I’d like to see it. Do they go into time from initial injury and what stage of rehab the injury occurs? For example, did it occur in game action or live practice vs in the rehab setting?
The recurrence of hamstring injuries is higher than other injuries. That is absolutely correct. Injury recurrence normally occurs in game situations with unpredicted and sudden movements. These setbacks unfortunately happen with hamstring injuries. As far as we know, Zion had not even gotten to that stage of the rehab. Everything he was doing should have been controlled. That is the responsibility of the trainer. That is the difference.
For example, Booker would fall into the “re-aggravating of an injury” category but he attempted to return quickly and re injured in game action. Zion has now had two setbacks in the “ramp up” or controlled phase of rehab. The foot injury last year and now this. In most cases, NBA athletes should be able to make it to the “live practice” stage of rehab without a setback when they are under the care of the training staff.
The recurrence of hamstring injuries is higher than other injuries. That is absolutely correct. Injury recurrence normally occurs in game situations with unpredicted and sudden movements. These setbacks unfortunately happen with hamstring injuries. As far as we know, Zion had not even gotten to that stage of the rehab. Everything he was doing should have been controlled. That is the responsibility of the trainer. That is the difference.
For example, Booker would fall into the “re-aggravating of an injury” category but he attempted to return quickly and re injured in game action. Zion has now had two setbacks in the “ramp up” or controlled phase of rehab. The foot injury last year and now this. In most cases, NBA athletes should be able to make it to the “live practice” stage of rehab without a setback when they are under the care of the training staff.
Posted on 2/12/23 at 11:24 pm to shel311
I think the issue isn’t the hamstring injury or the timeline of this specific Injury.
People are frustrated by at least 2 things.
The frequency of lower body injuries to Zion.
Zion never beating a time table publicly set by the team, whether it’s realistic or not.
Example 1) Meniscus- Estimated injury time: 6-8 weeks. He missed 12-13 weeks. Larry Nance missed 4 weeks with his meniscus last season for reference. Yes, they are varying degrees. But when 1 player met/beat their timeline and the other missed the timeline by 6 weeks for a similar injury, it’s not great.
2) Stress Fracture in foot or whatever the frick it was. Estimated injury time: Back by opening night. Obviously that didn’t happen. I think there was another target date in January. That didn’t happen. So he basically missed the initial timeline by a full season and the 2nd timeline by half a season for the same injury.
3) Hamstring. Estimated injury time: he was supposed to play before the all star break and play in the all star game. He had a setback and will now miss that timeline by a minimum of 4-6 weeks.
Either the messaging from the organization needs to change or Zion needs to change. It’s hard to be as injured as many times as he has been and never meet a return to play timeline. He’s never even come close to doing so.
That’s concerning and extremely frustrating. Hamstrings are definitely fickle. The problem is, it’s not just the hamstring, it’s everything. Every single time he is injured.
People are frustrated by at least 2 things.
The frequency of lower body injuries to Zion.
Zion never beating a time table publicly set by the team, whether it’s realistic or not.
Example 1) Meniscus- Estimated injury time: 6-8 weeks. He missed 12-13 weeks. Larry Nance missed 4 weeks with his meniscus last season for reference. Yes, they are varying degrees. But when 1 player met/beat their timeline and the other missed the timeline by 6 weeks for a similar injury, it’s not great.
2) Stress Fracture in foot or whatever the frick it was. Estimated injury time: Back by opening night. Obviously that didn’t happen. I think there was another target date in January. That didn’t happen. So he basically missed the initial timeline by a full season and the 2nd timeline by half a season for the same injury.
3) Hamstring. Estimated injury time: he was supposed to play before the all star break and play in the all star game. He had a setback and will now miss that timeline by a minimum of 4-6 weeks.
Either the messaging from the organization needs to change or Zion needs to change. It’s hard to be as injured as many times as he has been and never meet a return to play timeline. He’s never even come close to doing so.
That’s concerning and extremely frustrating. Hamstrings are definitely fickle. The problem is, it’s not just the hamstring, it’s everything. Every single time he is injured.
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