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re: The Truth of the Lonzo Trade
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:36 pm to J_Hingle
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:36 pm to J_Hingle
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It's ridiculous. The media is constantly blowing this dude, who is averaging 13 points and 4 assist per game lol
Sportcenter had an instagram/twitter post yesterday about Lonzos elevating his game this year over his 1st four seasons.
FG%, 3pt% and FT%.
FG% up, sure. 3pt% up, sure. FT% umm.
Failed to mention... 2pt%, Career low. Points and assists, down from last year despite higher minutes. And o yea, HE'S ONLY TAKEN 6 FREE THROWS ALL SEASON. He already wasnt getting to the free throw line enough, he's getting there even less now. Thats a horrible stat, but of course ESPN wants to act like he has obviously made some giant improvement.
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Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:52 pm to Pelefraan 1
quote:That's fine and probably true, also doesn't mean we should automatically settle.
We struggle massively to get talent. We have to overpay to get guys to stay
Even if it doesn't work out, i'd rather take the chances that we could get someone better as our 3rd best player than Zo at $20mil.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:53 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:That's the shite I object to, and again, it's only being said because he's on a good team.
Sportcenter had an instagram/twitter post yesterday about Lonzos elevating his game this year over his 1st four seasons.
He's about the same overall offensively, at best but arguably a bit worse offensively.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 4:35 pm to Bronc
What's funny is how many here would be complaining about Graham if his name was Lonzo Ball. He has been a bit disappointing on both ends of the floor. He would have been much better off the bench or next to Ball instead of as our "lead" starting guard.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 4:43 pm to NOSHAU
Speaking of disappointing pelicans guards:
quote:
David Fisher
@Fish_TBW
NAW's last five games
19.6 PPG
4.6 RPG
2.2 APG
.444/.394/.724
57.8% TS%
+23.2 On/Off Net Rating (Best on the team by a WIDE margin)
He's figuring something out
Posted on 11/18/21 at 4:50 pm to whatiknowsofar
How's his defense? Not so great to score 20 if you are giving up 25..
Posted on 11/18/21 at 4:52 pm to brmark70816
True. No idea how his defense has been over that span.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 5:09 pm to NOSHAU
quote:You're not wrong but I also think of everyone on our team, he maybe more than anyone is being asked to do something he doesn't excel at and will benefit from Zion being back.
What's funny is how many here would be complaining about Graham if his name was Lonzo Ball. He has been a bit disappointing on both ends of the floor. He would have been much better off the bench or next to Ball instead of as our "lead" starting guard.
He's being asked to be way more of shot creator than originally planned, and that's not his thing. He'll get more catch and shoot opportunities once Zion comes back, so the hope there is to see the increase in efficiency.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 5:10 pm to Fun Bunch
Said it over and over again - I was pulling for the Lonzo redemption tour in NOLA bc it would have been a cool story. However it became clear he wanted to leave, so basically nothing else mattered.
He’s a solid player. He’s not great. He’s a piece. We made him better by fixing his shot and he still went on the media tour saying we “misused” him, so he can frick off bc he’s playing the same role in Chicago with similar stats.
He’s a solid player. He’s not great. He’s a piece. We made him better by fixing his shot and he still went on the media tour saying we “misused” him, so he can frick off bc he’s playing the same role in Chicago with similar stats.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 5:12 pm to Billy Mays
quote:He's also quite literally playing a lesser role offensively in Chicago.
He’s a solid player. He’s not great. He’s a piece. We made him better by fixing his shot and he still went on the media tour saying we “misused” him, so he can frick off bc he’s playing the same role in Chicago with similar stats.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 5:44 pm to brmark70816
quote:
How's his defense? Not so great to score 20 if you are giving up 25..
Well, we don't have those direct numbers. We do, though, know that:
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+23.2 On/Off Net Rating (Best on the team by a WIDE margin)
So, your hypothetical is doo doo.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 5:47 pm to Billy Mays
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Said it over and over again - I was pulling for the Lonzo redemption tour in NOLA bc it would have been a cool story. However it became clear he wanted to leave, so basically nothing else mattered.
He’s a solid player. He’s not great. He’s a piece. We made him better by fixing his shot and he still went on the media tour saying we “misused” him, so he can frick off bc he’s playing the same role in Chicago with similar stats.
This is the best post in this thread. Spot on.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 12:12 am to Fun Bunch
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You make almost every thread about Lonzo
The thread is is literally about Lonzo and Graham is not better (at least this season).
This post was edited on 11/19/21 at 12:12 am
Posted on 11/19/21 at 6:37 am to NOSHAU
quote:
What's funny is how many here would be complaining about Graham if his name was Lonzo Ball. He has been a bit disappointing on both ends of the floor. He would have been much better off the bench or next to Ball instead of as our "lead" starting guard.
It really is amazing, I could literally quote myself from page one and this is exactly how this thread has gone….as predicted.
This fanbases irrational hatred and negative rationalization of Lonzo is both completely predictable, and utterly ridiculous.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:40 am to Bronc
Graham and Lonzo have both hit 47 threes this season
Graham is going at 36%, Lonzo 45%
Graham is going at 36%, Lonzo 45%
This post was edited on 11/19/21 at 9:41 am
Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:54 am to Pelefraan 1
There's no question Ball has been better than Graham this season.
Offensively, the difference isn't THAT big in scoring efficiency if you look at TS%.
And as I mentioned, I do think Graham is affected most by not having Zion and being asked to do something he isn't efficient at, shot creating/shooting 3s off the dribble. But he will benefit from more open catch and shoot attempts in a world where Zion is playing at full strength.
Offensively, the difference isn't THAT big in scoring efficiency if you look at TS%.
And as I mentioned, I do think Graham is affected most by not having Zion and being asked to do something he isn't efficient at, shot creating/shooting 3s off the dribble. But he will benefit from more open catch and shoot attempts in a world where Zion is playing at full strength.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 10:06 am to Bronc
Are we still making the argument that Lonzo is better than Graham for 2x the money? You could say we wasted money on Sato, Temple, Didi, Hart and should have done more upgrades with that money but we tried.
EVERYONE BETTER THAN LONZO DIDN't WANT TO COME HERE. We struck out on the good players, we didn't just let Lonzo go expecting to downgrade, jackass. So we chose to not overpay him and get stuck in the same cap situations with a mediocre team and players who don't want to be here.
But continue to get emotional for your boyfriend over people forming their own opinion about him on an anonymous message board... I mean I literally can't believe you could have predicted how this thread went. Sorry everyone else's opinion is more irrational and negative than the shite that comes from you.
We strive to have your smarts and unpredictabilities.
EVERYONE BETTER THAN LONZO DIDN't WANT TO COME HERE. We struck out on the good players, we didn't just let Lonzo go expecting to downgrade, jackass. So we chose to not overpay him and get stuck in the same cap situations with a mediocre team and players who don't want to be here.
But continue to get emotional for your boyfriend over people forming their own opinion about him on an anonymous message board... I mean I literally can't believe you could have predicted how this thread went. Sorry everyone else's opinion is more irrational and negative than the shite that comes from you.
We strive to have your smarts and unpredictabilities.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 10:09 am to Pelefraan 1
quote:
Graham and Lonzo have both hit 47 threes this season Graham is going at 36%, Lonzo 45%
Yeah I think Lonzo would unequivocally be our best overall guard if he were still here, and I don’t understand this whole line of logic that Graham will be better with Zion as if that wouldn’t also apply to Lonzo. Or any guard, so when judging talent next to Zion that has to be extended to everyone in that mold.
Though for me it was never Graham or Zo. It was Graham + Zo. Allowing NAW to play off the bench and maybe more depending on how he developed.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 10:11 am to Bronc
quote:Because Lonzo is on a fully healthy team with a really good offense. He's seeing benefits of having good offensive players around him.
Yeah I think Lonzo would unequivocally be our best overall guard if he were still here, and I don’t understand this whole line of logic that Graham will be better with Zion as if that wouldn’t also apply to Lonzo
Graham is on the very opposite end of the spectrum with our offense who has no creators and no one with any real gravity.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 10:14 am to Dantheman504
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EVERYONE BETTER THAN LONZO DIDN't WANT TO COME HERE.
Hence why you treat better and ultimately match the guy you had in your pocket instead of forcing yourself into a volatile situation where your future is up to the whims of free agents that have historically not come here, desperately throwing 22 million a year at Tim Hardaway, who’s playing like a worse version of Lonzo.
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But continue to get emotional
This is called projection
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