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The Truth of the Lonzo Trade
Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:34 am
Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:34 am
Griff made himself a laughingstock when he tried to trade Bledsoe for first rounders, like he was worth something.
At the deadline, Nobody gave him a good offer (because they were laughing at him). Griff was too timid to trade Lonzo for something because he didn't want to piss off Zion (and his stepdaddy) by making a move that would be perceived as tanking.
Griff was hoping we would make the playoffs and he could make the easy decision of extending the PG who just helped take the team to the playoffs.
When we fizzled out and the wins stopped due to Zion injuries and Gentry's incompetent rotations, Griff was fricked.
He couldn't pay him as a restricted FA because he was/is obviously overrated.
We got Devonte Graham, who is a better PG.
Griff's foolishness basically cost us 3 firsts. (Two in the adams deal necessary to get rid of Bledsoe, one in the graham deal).
Edit for clarity: The Lonzo trade was terrible and we should have moved him at the deadline when we could have, Griff's fault. Graham trade was good
At the deadline, Nobody gave him a good offer (because they were laughing at him). Griff was too timid to trade Lonzo for something because he didn't want to piss off Zion (and his stepdaddy) by making a move that would be perceived as tanking.
Griff was hoping we would make the playoffs and he could make the easy decision of extending the PG who just helped take the team to the playoffs.
When we fizzled out and the wins stopped due to Zion injuries and Gentry's incompetent rotations, Griff was fricked.
He couldn't pay him as a restricted FA because he was/is obviously overrated.
We got Devonte Graham, who is a better PG.
Griff's foolishness basically cost us 3 firsts. (Two in the adams deal necessary to get rid of Bledsoe, one in the graham deal).
Edit for clarity: The Lonzo trade was terrible and we should have moved him at the deadline when we could have, Griff's fault. Graham trade was good
This post was edited on 11/20/21 at 9:18 pm
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Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:45 am to Omnipotent Tiger
Griff just needs to go. The Pels just need a fresh start.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:50 am to Omnipotent Tiger
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Gentry's incompetent rotations,
Wrong coach
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got Devonte Graham, who is a better PG.
You are entitled to your opinion. But proof is in the contract. Ball got double somehow..
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:05 am to Omnipotent Tiger
I have never met a player that evokes so much ridiculous obsessive hatred and rationalization than Lonzo.
It’s become an overused term but the guy seriously lives rent free in like half this fanbases head. And it’s insanely baffling as to why?
Dude is a consistently improving two-way combo guard with the length to switch four positions. Is currently the primary perimeter defender on a top 5 defense and top 3 seed. Yet the way you hear people in this fanbase talk about him, you’d think he’s some bum.
It’s become an overused term but the guy seriously lives rent free in like half this fanbases head. And it’s insanely baffling as to why?
Dude is a consistently improving two-way combo guard with the length to switch four positions. Is currently the primary perimeter defender on a top 5 defense and top 3 seed. Yet the way you hear people in this fanbase talk about him, you’d think he’s some bum.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:05 am to Omnipotent Tiger
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Griff made himself a laughingstock
This man has literally ridden off the coattails of LeBron James and co. in Cleveland. He has some crazy stat where he's gotten the number 1 pick or something like that three times in his career. Man totally has botched his tenure in New Orleans. The piano man must go and must go soon.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:09 am to Bronc
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I have never met a player that evokes so much ridiculous obsessive hatred and rationalization than Lonzo.
It’s become an overused term but the guy seriously lives rent free in like half this fanbases head. And it’s insanely baffling as to why?
I've never seen a less self-aware post. You make almost every thread about Lonzo.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:15 am to Bronc
I still think one of Griffins worst mistakes (and there are plenty) was not moving Lonzo at the trade deadline last year
His stock was never going to get any higher. Even if on paper the return wasn’t as high as they wanted they should have moved him anyway. He’s not worth 20 mill on this roster, and we all knew that’s what he was going to demand. Why keep him?
The lost all thier leverage by keeping him past that. He didn’t want to be here and that was clear as day. Why try and keep him past then, the trade offers were just going to get worse going forward not better
Huge blunder and he basically walks for nothing. Classic Griffin
His stock was never going to get any higher. Even if on paper the return wasn’t as high as they wanted they should have moved him anyway. He’s not worth 20 mill on this roster, and we all knew that’s what he was going to demand. Why keep him?
The lost all thier leverage by keeping him past that. He didn’t want to be here and that was clear as day. Why try and keep him past then, the trade offers were just going to get worse going forward not better
Huge blunder and he basically walks for nothing. Classic Griffin
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:16 am to Omnipotent Tiger
quote:The Lonzo sign and trade was not good for us, by any stretch.
The Truth of the Lonzo Trade
I also don't think Lonzo at $20mil move the needle for us. Lonzo as your 3rd best player is an issue. CHI has the luxury for him to be their 4th best player.
But the actual truth of Lonzo is that he's basically about as good as he was last year, at best he's marginally better. But if you listen to the talking heads in the media, you'd think he's taken this massive leap when he simply hasn't. The biggest difference is that he's simply on a good team now.
Lonzo was 17 & 7 last season per 36. Lonzo is 14 & 5 per 36 this season. He's slight more efficient this season scoring wise. His PER is down slight. His assist % is down big. He is playing better defense.
Most simply put, he has value. He probably has good value for a team like CHI as their 4th best player at $20mil. I seriously question whether he'd provide $20mil of value playing for New Orleans, I don't think he would.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:17 am to Fun Bunch
quote:I may have said that a time or 2 before.
I've never seen a less self-aware post.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:17 am to Fun Bunch
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I've never seen a less self-aware post. You make almost every thread about Lonzo.
I've never made a single thread about Lonzo, except to speculate on his future contract last season, unless it was simply passing along news items that hadn't been posted.
We've had two days now where Lonzo hate has been the primary discussion of the board. And the hate is completely baffling
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:26 am to Bronc
Don't see anyone hating on Lonzo. OP said he thinks Graham is better than Lonzo, but literally nothing about hating Lonzo or thinking he's trash.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:33 am to Bronc
What’s so hard about this? People want to be proven right.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:38 am to hkc
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What’s so hard about this? People want to be proven right.
I mean I think you are correct, and it's not just sports people behaving this way, but when reality doesn't contort to what you want to be true, some people choose to just reject reality instead of admitting they were wrong.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:46 am to Omnipotent Tiger
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one in the graham deal).
Not so fast my friend…..
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:51 am to Bronc
quote:In fairness, this is happening on both sides.
I mean I think you are correct, and it's not just sports people behaving this way, but when reality doesn't contort to what you want to be true, some people choose to just reject reality instead of admitting they were wrong.
Like I said, the way people are hyping Lonzo's play and how much better they think he's been in CHI has gotten as out of control as those who are downplaying losing him for essentially nothing.
This post was edited on 11/18/21 at 11:51 am
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:53 am to Bronc
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Dude is a consistently improving two-way combo guard
Wow
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:58 am to shel311
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In fairness, this is happening on both sides.
Like I said, the way people are hyping Lonzo's play has gotten as out of control as those who are downplaying losing him for essentially nothing.
There's a little, sure, like the OP yesterday declaring Lonzo the main reason for Chicago being a contender. That's obviously ridiculous hyperbole.
But not just here, Twitter, Discord, and in the media, the rationalizing and hate is far more pronounced. And it just really doesn't make much sense to me.
Lonzo has basically grown into the model glue guy.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:00 pm to Omnipotent Tiger
Pelicans would be better with Lonzo.
That is not a reflection on Lonzo, it is a refection on the Pelicans.
That is not a reflection on Lonzo, it is a refection on the Pelicans.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 1:19 pm to shel311
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I seriously question whether he'd provide $20mil of value playing for New Orleans, I don't think he would.
We struggle massively to get talent. We have to overpay to get guys to stay
Posted on 11/18/21 at 2:21 pm to shel311
It's ridiculous. The media is constantly blowing this dude, who is averaging 13 points and 4 assist per game lol
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