re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread

The plan would be to "pick" one of Murray/ Trae to continue to "build around them". The move would be that BI is a better "fit" than Murray with Trae. If it doesn't work then they will just trade Trae. I don't think they are too concerned.

Its exactly what we went through last year with BI/ Zion. "We could trade him but lets see the fit this year, he will still have value next offseason" and the chemistry/ fit isn't there.

Same with Mitchell/ Garland.

We are all looking for the best "fit" and then fill in the blanks after that.

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Okongwu has shown he can be a starter in the league and he is on a very team friendly extension,

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When did he do that?

He missed almost 30 games this year, and he only started 8.
He started 18 of 80 last year.
You can say he's proven to be a good backup, but he hasn't started enough to say he has proven himself to be a starter. If he was good enough to start for ATL then he would right now.


I'll remind you that when i ran the stats on all centers, Okongwu was actually pretty bad. He gave up 60% shooting at the rim, and somehow 40% at the 3 point line when he was defending. That's pretty terrible.
He's also way undersized to be a starting 5 in the league at 6'8"

I'd prefer we try to save money at the 5 position unless we are getting someone who can actually spread the floor on offense while also being able to defend the rim and be decent enough on the perimeter.
Kessler, Mark Williams, Isaiah Stewart, Wiseman.

I'd be perfectly content if we started next season with Kessler and Wiseman. Trade for Kessler, sign Wiseman using MLE.
Trade BI to ATL for Murray, send Okongwu to Utah for Kessler.
Then I'd go kick the tires on GSW and see if they'd be interested in a CJ for Klay swap, and we'd sign Klay to 3/$100M. Yeah that's an overpay, but that's what would be needed to get him here, and I want his championship pedigree here to help Zion and this team. Imagine a closing lineup where Zion has the ball and on the court is Trey, Klay, Murray and Herb. and even though Herb is a 40% 3 point shooter now, if Hawkins takes that next step then move Hawkins out there for offense/defense and you've got some serious shooters surrounding Zion.

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but Okonwu has the higher ceiling and better fit with that team which puts their value pretty much equal imo

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No way

ETA: just go look at JA's year 23 stats vs Okongwu's stats this year, you can even compare the per 36 stats if you want

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Trae is a real ceiling raiser.

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Absolutely.

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IMO, Murray or Garland don't raise the ceiling very much.

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I disagree about Murray. He can definitely raise our defensive ceiling without sacrificing offense. And his contract allows for the possibility of another big move while remaining under the apron.

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Okongwu has shown he can be a starter in the league and he is on a very team friendly extension,

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Agree about the salary, but has he really proven anything yet? He has a ton of potential though.

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but has he really proven anything yet?

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Yes he has shown he can start full time i believe, Atlanta just chooses to play Capella i think due to his size/contract

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He has a ton of potential though.

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And this is why I believe Cleveland does the swap even though they are getting a player back that’s not as good currently. OO potential is high, plus he fits next to Mobley far better than Allen, and also not to be overlooked, he’s paid 6 million less than Allen. Would they push trying to get a first or Dyson out of the deal? Absolutely, but ultimately I think you could get them to go with the straight swap when they take into account all the factors.

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OO potential is high, plus he fits next to Mobley far better than Allen, and also not to be overlooked, he’s paid 6 million less than Allen.

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OO only played 9% of his minutes at the 4 last year, averaged 1.8 3pa per 36 last year, and has only taken 85 3s his entire career. I agree he fits better than Allen, but I dont think it’s really by that much.

Also, wouldn’t the Cavs just start Dean Wade over OO at the 4? He fits much better next to Mobley. I just don’t see how OO makes sense for the Cavs. Allen is their most obvious trade chip and I can’t see them cashing it in for a guy like OO

If we don't go get "that guy" then these are essentially the teams/ players we are looking at. Excluding Hawks/ Cavs/ Jazz (most discussed)

Hornets:

Miles Bridges
Brandon Miller
Nick Richards
Mark Williams

Rockets:

Aman Thomson
Tari Eason
Jalen Green
Jabari Smith
Cam Whitmore
Jack Lindale

Magic:

Jalen Suggs
Cole Anthony
Franz Wagner
Jonathan Issac
Wendell Carter Jr

Pistons:

Jaden Ivy
Isaiah Stewart
Jalen Duren
Ausur Thompson

Pacers:

Bennedict Mathurin
Andrew Nembhard
Aaron Nesmith
Myles Turner

Trailblazers:

Scoot Henderson
Shaedon Sharpe
Anfernee Simmons
Deandre Ayton
Robert Williams

Heat:

Nikola Jovic
Tyler Hero
Thomas Bryant
Duncan Robinson


These are not packages and I'm not saying every one of these players will be available. But this is option B if we can't strike a deal on a big name.

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Cavs:

Jarret Allen
Darius Garland
Evan Mobley
Donovan Mitchell

Jazz:

Lauri Markannen
Walker Kessler
Keynote George
Colin Sexton
Jordan Clarkson

Hawks:

Trae Young
Okomgwu
Dejante Murray
Bogdonovic

It is clear by this list that we should NOT trade with Miami.

I don't dislike any of those potential player packages if we can not end up with Trae/ Mitchell/ Markannen/ etccc

Some see this as a "failure" and "rebuild" but alot of those players are complimentary that make us linear/ even at worst.

And we would only gain assets/ picks for the war chest once Zion/ Herb/ Trey take another step.