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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread
Posted on 5/25/24 at 8:20 am to Epic Cajun
Posted on 5/25/24 at 8:20 am to Epic Cajun
Honestly I make whatever moves I can to move Ingram and maybe CJ for a play making guard and backup stretch 4. Sign someone like Hartenstein in free agency (get Mo Wagner or Goga Bitadze) as bench pieces
Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:33 am to teke184
On top of that we’d probably have to pay Hartenstein 20 mil, because New York can pay him ~17
Posted on 5/25/24 at 10:10 am to Epic Cajun
Knicks can only pay him that much if they want to let OG walk.
If they give OG the raise he’s looking for, and bring Precious back on about 5 million, they will be over the tax line.
Their only hope to stay under the second apron would be sending iut Randle and taking very little money back
Dolan is notoriously cheap despite bringing in the most money in the league, no way he’s paying that 2nd apron penalties
If they give OG the raise he’s looking for, and bring Precious back on about 5 million, they will be over the tax line.
Their only hope to stay under the second apron would be sending iut Randle and taking very little money back
Dolan is notoriously cheap despite bringing in the most money in the league, no way he’s paying that 2nd apron penalties
This post was edited on 5/25/24 at 10:23 am
Posted on 5/25/24 at 10:41 am to teke184
I like the trade that McNamara posted today a lot
Pels get Harrison Barnes, Zach Collins, 8th pick, 2027 Kings 1st, 2028 swap with Kings, 2029 Kings 1st, and 2030 swap with Kings
Kings get Brandon Ingram
Spurs get Kevin Huerter and #13
Pels get Harrison Barnes, Zach Collins, 8th pick, 2027 Kings 1st, 2028 swap with Kings, 2029 Kings 1st, and 2030 swap with Kings
Kings get Brandon Ingram
Spurs get Kevin Huerter and #13
Posted on 5/25/24 at 10:44 am to Soggymoss
quote:
Their only hope to stay under the second apron would be sending iut Randle and taking very little money back
Only 2 million of Bojan’s contract is guaranteed, they could cut him, which would save them 17 mil in cap space. Now I don’t know if they would do that, but at this point I’d rather have Hartenstein than Bojan.
They are at 112.8 for 9 players if they keep their young cheap players, and decline Bojan. If they pay OG 37.5 million they are at 150.3, 17 to Hartenstein they are at 167.5. A few mill for their rookie and they are at 170 for 12 players, still well under the second apron. Precious for 5 and they are still only at 175.5 for 13 players. It really comes down to weather or not they prefer Bojan or Hartenstein.
This post was edited on 5/25/24 at 11:02 am
Posted on 5/25/24 at 10:57 am to BallHawk
That’s a rebuild trade for us rather than one that makes us a winner.
Barnes is just kinda there at this point, I don’t think Collins is a positive in any way, and the picks are nice but not really what we need right now.
Do we really need 8 and 21 in a bad draft unless we plan on moving up to get one specific guy? And even then this is not a year where the talent is perceived as being earth shattering.
Barnes is just kinda there at this point, I don’t think Collins is a positive in any way, and the picks are nice but not really what we need right now.
Do we really need 8 and 21 in a bad draft unless we plan on moving up to get one specific guy? And even then this is not a year where the talent is perceived as being earth shattering.
Posted on 5/25/24 at 11:06 am to BallHawk
I like that trade, but only if we can flip Barnes, Nance, 8 and 21 for someone else.
Maybe expand it and send those 4 assets to Atlanta for Murray and Okongwu, or Spurs send 4 instead of 8 so we can take Reed
Maybe expand it and send those 4 assets to Atlanta for Murray and Okongwu, or Spurs send 4 instead of 8 so we can take Reed
This post was edited on 5/25/24 at 11:07 am
Posted on 5/25/24 at 11:06 am to BallHawk
quote:
I like the trade that McNamara posted today a lot Pels get Harrison Barnes, Zach Collins, 8th pick, 2027 Kings 1st, 2028 swap with Kings, 2029 Kings 1st, and 2030 swap with Kings Kings get Brandon Ingram Spurs get Kevin Huerter and #13
Are we trying to gather assets or win games?
Posted on 5/25/24 at 11:12 am to Epic Cajun
I don’t think we drop off at all. I actually think we are, at worst, the same. Of that me and McNamara agree.
I do think you’d want to flip CJ, 8, 21 for something of note
Trae or Murray fit that well. Maybe try to get Isaac in a 3-team deal
Use MLE or BAE for Bitadze or Hartenstein or Wagner
Murray / Dyson / Jose
Herb / Hawkins
Trey / Barnes / Ryan
Zion / Isaac / JRE
Collins / Bitadze / Karlo
You’re better defensively, have more shooting, and financial flexibility
I do think you’d want to flip CJ, 8, 21 for something of note
Trae or Murray fit that well. Maybe try to get Isaac in a 3-team deal
Use MLE or BAE for Bitadze or Hartenstein or Wagner
Murray / Dyson / Jose
Herb / Hawkins
Trey / Barnes / Ryan
Zion / Isaac / JRE
Collins / Bitadze / Karlo
You’re better defensively, have more shooting, and financial flexibility
Posted on 5/25/24 at 11:42 am to Epic Cajun
I'd do the kings trade and then use the ammo combined with our other assets to get a true superstar
Posted on 5/25/24 at 12:18 pm to BallHawk
Kings: Ingram
Pistons: CJ, Huerter
Cavs: Barnes, 13
Hawks: Dyson, Nance, #5, #21, 2025 Pels 1st, 25 Lakers 1st
Pels: Trae, Allen, Stewart
Then we can re-sign Naji to a 3/24, give Jose a slight bump in pay where he’s above league minimum, and still have access to full MLE and BAE to add, we could even have Kings add Mitchell to deal.
Trae/Mitchell/Jose
Herb/Hawk/MLE
Trey/Naji/Ryan
Zion/BAE/EJ
Allen/Stewart/Karlo
We would still be left with a first in 26, 3 in 27, 28, 2 in 29, 30, 31 so of those we could realistically trade 6 additional future 1sts if someone else we covet comes available
Pistons: CJ, Huerter
Cavs: Barnes, 13
Hawks: Dyson, Nance, #5, #21, 2025 Pels 1st, 25 Lakers 1st
Pels: Trae, Allen, Stewart
Then we can re-sign Naji to a 3/24, give Jose a slight bump in pay where he’s above league minimum, and still have access to full MLE and BAE to add, we could even have Kings add Mitchell to deal.
Trae/Mitchell/Jose
Herb/Hawk/MLE
Trey/Naji/Ryan
Zion/BAE/EJ
Allen/Stewart/Karlo
We would still be left with a first in 26, 3 in 27, 28, 2 in 29, 30, 31 so of those we could realistically trade 6 additional future 1sts if someone else we covet comes available
This post was edited on 5/25/24 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 5/25/24 at 2:22 pm to BallHawk
quote:
I like the trade that McNamara posted today a lot Pels get Harrison Barnes, Zach Collins, 8th pick, 2027 Kings 1st, 2028 swap with Kings, 2029 Kings 1st, and 2030 swap with Kings
That’s a fricking horrible trade. We unloading Zion to while we are at it?
Posted on 5/25/24 at 4:21 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:You think cheddachaz is reputable because he has a media credential. I had a media credential for a while as part of a website I was involved in. It did not entitle me to any more "insider information" than you.
Just curious who do you actually believe is plugged in?
Because it seems like you don’t trust many of the credentialed pelicans media members. And please don’t say Woj or Shams.
Posted on 5/25/24 at 4:23 pm to ghost2most
quote:Problem is we did that once, along with a trio of good young stars and what did Griff do with all those picks? Not interested in going down that road again.
I'd do the kings trade and then use the ammo combined with our other assets to get a true superstar
Posted on 5/25/24 at 4:36 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
You think cheddachaz is reputable because he has a media credential. I had a media credential for a while as part of a website I was involved in. It did not entitle me to any more "insider information" than you.
I honestly was just curious who you view as plugged in or legit? Which you still haven’t answered.
Wait you had a media credential to pels as part of a website? Interesting, is this you David Fisher??
This post was edited on 5/25/24 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 5/25/24 at 5:14 pm to ghost2most
quote:
I'd do the kings trade and then use the ammo combined with our other assets to get a true superstar
Oh, really? Which one?
Posted on 5/25/24 at 5:17 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:Did not take it offensively at all. Shams and Woj are obvious. Windy seems to be pretty tight with Griffin. Other than that, may are just hit and miss. I don't think any of the local bloggers are very reliable (Shamit, MM, Jake, etc.).
I honestly was just curious who you view as plugged in or legit? Which you still haven’t answered.
Wait you had a media credential to pels as part of a website? Interesting, is this you David Fisher??
Posted on 5/25/24 at 5:20 pm to Pels_Yaz
I see alot of posts about Bridges being available, and the Nets wanting to rebuild.
Could Houston go all in?
Rockets: Bridges, Ingram
Nets: Jalen Green, Dyson, Adams, Jeff Green, # 21, their 2 future picks and swap rights back from houston, 2 additional Pels 1sts of their choosing
Pels: Cam Johnson, Jabari Smith Jr, Jock Landale, #3
At 3 we take Sheppard and get our lead guard. With JSJ and Cam we get two guys that could play small ball 5 for us, and also backup Zion, Landale can be a minutes eater. Re-sign Naji and throw the full MLE at the best center you can get.
CJ/Sheppard/Jose
Herb/Hawk/Ryan
Trey/Naji
Zion/Cam/EJ
MLE/JSJ/Landale/Karlo
That would be a big switchable team that you can adjust starting and closing lineups to whatever you please with a frickTON of shooting for Zion to play off of.
Houston does it because they go all in cashing in two young guys and 3 picks for two “star” players.
Nets do it to get their picks back as well as additional 1sts. They forgo the #3 pick in favor of Dyson and 21 seeing Dyson as a better pick than anyone in this particular draft.
Ingram for JSJ, salary filler in Landale and #3 is fair for both teams
Dyson, 21 and 2 future firsts for Cam is also fair, albeit a slight overpay, but we do the overpay for Sheppard who I believe Griff loves
Could Houston go all in?
Rockets: Bridges, Ingram
Nets: Jalen Green, Dyson, Adams, Jeff Green, # 21, their 2 future picks and swap rights back from houston, 2 additional Pels 1sts of their choosing
Pels: Cam Johnson, Jabari Smith Jr, Jock Landale, #3
At 3 we take Sheppard and get our lead guard. With JSJ and Cam we get two guys that could play small ball 5 for us, and also backup Zion, Landale can be a minutes eater. Re-sign Naji and throw the full MLE at the best center you can get.
CJ/Sheppard/Jose
Herb/Hawk/Ryan
Trey/Naji
Zion/Cam/EJ
MLE/JSJ/Landale/Karlo
That would be a big switchable team that you can adjust starting and closing lineups to whatever you please with a frickTON of shooting for Zion to play off of.
Houston does it because they go all in cashing in two young guys and 3 picks for two “star” players.
Nets do it to get their picks back as well as additional 1sts. They forgo the #3 pick in favor of Dyson and 21 seeing Dyson as a better pick than anyone in this particular draft.
Ingram for JSJ, salary filler in Landale and #3 is fair for both teams
Dyson, 21 and 2 future firsts for Cam is also fair, albeit a slight overpay, but we do the overpay for Sheppard who I believe Griff loves
This post was edited on 5/25/24 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 5/25/24 at 5:36 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
I don't think any of the local bloggers are very reliable (Shamit, MM, Jake, etc.).
I agree to a degree. Jake gives us nothing nor does MM- his stuff is filled with personal opinions.
Shamit isn’t bad- I honestly think he has some decent info and can be reliable. Yeah he has a lot of his own opinions but he also tries to be fair in his reporting. Clark isn’t bad- hes not great but once in a while we’ll get some solid nuggets. Chaz does have issues in regards to reliability but to give out specific scenarios of what may happened would be a strange thing to just make up.
Look I don’t think the local guys are any pulitzer prize winning journalists but I’m not dismissing everything they say because it’s technically not coming from a more reliable national media person either. Several of these national guys quote these same local guys like Clark and Shamit.
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