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re: The Jose conundrum
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:09 pm to purplepylon
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:09 pm to purplepylon
Yea, Jose's not going anywhere. Like the PG version of Draymond. When all the big dogs are out there he stirs the drink and keeps it percolating.
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:36 pm to msizzle08
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Jose just hitting his sopohmore slump. Herb had it, Trey had it and now Jose. He'll be fine for sure.
I hope so because him shooting like last night will hurt us, esp if teams are daring him to shoot and decide to clog the lane vs zion/ingram
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:48 pm to SLafourche07
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He must still be bothered by his ribs. That’s when the downturn started.
If we can get a few of our other guys back he may need to take some games off and rest
He is getting enough playing time now that teams are starting to scout him. He is no longer catching teams off guard and teams are playing to his tendencies.
He is still a young NBA player. So the next part of his development is figuring out counters to what teams are doing to him.
Something else I've noticed is that while he is a pesky defender, teams are really starting to attack him on defense; especially in the pick & roll. They are putting him in p&r situations with average to terrible big defenders in Zion and Jonas. We are switching those matchups and are faced with Zion or Jonas having to defend on the perimeter or Jose on a much bigger player.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:56 pm to 504Voodoo
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Something else I've noticed is that while he is a pesky defender, teams are really starting to attack him on defense;
Despite the fact many think he is a solid defender, if Jose is ever in the game at crunch time, he will have a huge target on his back and the only one with a bigger target would be Val, if perish the thought, he happened to be in there at crunch time.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 5:33 pm to Tigerbiscuits
Exactly. Jose is the kind of player you need and want on a championship squad. He brings energy, he is quick and pesky and can disrupt other star’s rhythm and flow. You get your money’s worth from him just doing those things. Scoring from him is lagniappe. If he ever develops into a double digit scoring average player he’ll be priceless on this particular squad. I would not trade him. Hell no.
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 12/27/22 at 6:11 pm to htran90
Even through this slump after the injury Jose still has a higher 3pt % Than Naji, Herb, Zion,Kira while trailing Devonte by 1%, CJ by 1.5% and taking the 3rd most attempts per game.
Can y’all go a week without looking for something to freak out about. Jesus
Can y’all go a week without looking for something to freak out about. Jesus
Posted on 12/27/22 at 7:12 pm to Gingersnap
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Even through this slump after the injury Jose still has a higher 3pt % Than Naji, Herb, Zion,Kira while trailing Devonte by 1%, CJ by 1.5% and taking the 3rd most attempts per game.
Can y’all go a week without looking for something to freak out about. Jesus
It’s not really a slump. He shot 29% from three last season, and has been putrid from long distance for 81% of his games this season
Jose has played 32 games
48% of his made threes have come in six games. He’s 23/32 in those six games (71.8%)
In his other 26 games, he’s 25/106 from 3 (23.5%)
In 14 of those 26 games, he’s made zero or one 3P shot, 9/65 (13.8%)
If his name was Devonte Graham or Lonzo Ball, he would be getting absolutely slaughtered right now
Posted on 12/27/22 at 7:19 pm to htran90
Elite Defense and Good shooting is going to be his norm. I don’t sour on a dudes stroke who has shown he has a good one, over a 4-5 game stretch.
Many of his bad decisions have been due to being less aggressive with his shot, so not worried about that either.
Long term outlook for me is still a high level 6th or 7th man on a championship caliber team.
Many of his bad decisions have been due to being less aggressive with his shot, so not worried about that either.
Long term outlook for me is still a high level 6th or 7th man on a championship caliber team.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 7:42 pm to Gingersnap
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Can y’all go a week without looking for something to freak out about. Jesus
We can't have a conversation? How is it freaking out?
It is a forum right?
While he brings a lot of positive, last night showed why its worrisome for guys like herb and him come playoff time. If you can't be a potential threat, it makes life harder for zion and Ingram. That's a fact
Posted on 12/27/22 at 7:57 pm to htran90
I think you just ride the hot hand. If his shooting is off, give some of his minutes to whoever has the touch. This will fluctuate the entire season. No one should be guaranteed a number of minutes besides Zion, BI and CJ.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 9:22 pm to BigPerm30
Jose is what he is. He is a very good role player on a playoff team. I still think his #1 asset is the energy he brings in the slow parts of the game (end 1/early 2 and end 3/early 4).
We don’t need Jose closing games unless he is hot which obviously happens from time to time.
We don’t need Jose closing games unless he is hot which obviously happens from time to time.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 11:45 pm to htran90
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The Jose conundrum
Jose isn’t a conundrum. Man is having a career year. Top 10 in the league in defensive RAPTOR. A couple bad games come around for every player. It’s a long season don’t sleep on our boy.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 3:52 am to aswemajor
Jose isn’t in there to score…
He makes the right play often, brings energy like no other, on ball defense is superb, good amount of steals and assist to turnover ratio is good.
He gets to the tin well and converts tough shots.
What are people actually complaining about? He’s not an elite 3 point shooter? He shoots them well enough to keep the defence honest.
He earns 1.5 million… those other 2 are / were on 12 million? That salary demands a certain performance…
We have someone who can occasionally positively change the course of a game through his play …for 1.5 million. We should be expecting nothing for that and anything extra is a bonus.
As it is…we have a fantastic player who is all in for us, for next to nothing.
He makes the right play often, brings energy like no other, on ball defense is superb, good amount of steals and assist to turnover ratio is good.
He gets to the tin well and converts tough shots.
What are people actually complaining about? He’s not an elite 3 point shooter? He shoots them well enough to keep the defence honest.
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If his name was Devonte Graham or Lonzo Ball, he would be getting absolutely slaughtered right now
He earns 1.5 million… those other 2 are / were on 12 million? That salary demands a certain performance…
We have someone who can occasionally positively change the course of a game through his play …for 1.5 million. We should be expecting nothing for that and anything extra is a bonus.
As it is…we have a fantastic player who is all in for us, for next to nothing.
This post was edited on 12/28/22 at 4:26 am
Posted on 12/28/22 at 8:30 am to England_Pelican
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What are people actually complaining about? He’s not an elite 3 point shooter? He shoots them well enough to keep the defence honest.
That a bad shooter has taken the third most 3PA on this team. He only shoots open 3P, defenses do not care about him beating you. If he does all these other things well he can bring more value by not jacking up 3s left and right
Posted on 12/28/22 at 8:32 am to STEVED00
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Jose is what he is. He is a very good role player on a playoff team. I still think his #1 asset is the energy he brings in the slow parts of the game (end 1/early 2 and end 3/early 4). We don’t need Jose closing games unless he is hot which obviously happens from time to time.
1000% agree. Let’s not forget that he’s a second year player. Players generally get better shooting over time.
This post was edited on 12/28/22 at 8:36 am
Posted on 12/28/22 at 8:36 am to 504Voodoo
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Something else I've noticed is that while he is a pesky defender, teams are really starting to attack him on defense; especially in the pick & roll.
Teams also have taken away one of his strengths, on-ball D bringing the ball up.
They'll just bypass whoever he's guarding and let someone else bring the ball up.
I mean - good on him. Teams are having to adjust what they do for a minimum salary undrafted second year player.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 9:06 am to WicKed WayZ
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Or at least someone other than Trey
its been common knowledge all along on TD that pels roster needs a dependable sharpshooter and another big who can defend pnr and knock down 3s. trade deadline hope.
nothing has changed.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 9:57 am to GynoSandberg
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That a bad shooter has taken the third most 3PA on this team.
Who should be taking more 3’s than him? I’m taking BI out as he’s missed half the season.
CJ, Trey, Devonte… that’s it…
So you could make an argument that he should be 4th but that’s about it…he plays 6 minutes more a game than DG..and takes 1 more 3P than him
He wins us games. If he’s 3rd on the 3PA list rather than 4th… I’ll live with it.
This post was edited on 12/28/22 at 10:11 am
Posted on 12/28/22 at 10:08 am to msizzle08
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Jose just hitting his sopohmore slump. Herb had it, Trey had it and now Jose. He'll be fine for sure.
Probably safe to say that Herb is still in it. He's been the worst shooter on the team by far. Especially considering he gets better looks from three than anybody else.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 10:27 am to GynoSandberg
A month or so ago I posted a thread asking to pump the brakes on Jose and got killed for it. I wasn't asking to dump him or even lower his minutes. Just that he was undrafted for a reason, is only in his second year and has a lot of growing to do. I don't think he has hit his ceiling, and his floor is pretty high, but we are putting alot on a second year, undrafted guy. That was my only point.
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