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re: the 2020 fake trade thread
Posted on 1/8/20 at 8:52 am to cgrand
Posted on 1/8/20 at 8:52 am to cgrand
I think a couple of fringe trades is all this team needs. No need to try to move Jrue right now because I don't think it's entirely set in stone that they try to move on from him this offseason.
I think going to get an actual stretch backup four is needed and to ATL's point, cleaning up the guard rotation some.
I don't have a specific trade in mind, but Bjelica would be an interesting pickup
I think going to get an actual stretch backup four is needed and to ATL's point, cleaning up the guard rotation some.
I don't have a specific trade in mind, but Bjelica would be an interesting pickup
This post was edited on 1/8/20 at 8:52 am
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 9:18 am to TigerinATL
quote:Maybe I can see the argument about addition by subtraction to help NAW. However, that would be it. MKG is an expiring with useless bird rights. We would be paying a few extra million for someone who does not help us progress past this year (which is a sunk year).
The first benefit is addition by subtraction by keeping Gentry from being able to play Frank over NAW. Even if all we get back is a fake 2nd, I think we need to move Frank. It will help both wins and NAW’s development.
Also, Kenrich was a useful player before the slump. MKG is a better version of Kenrich with enough other offensive tools to not make him unplayable because he can’t shoot the 3.
I know you think we should trade Moore for a variety of reasons, but I just don’t see any good significant trades out there. I’d rather Moore help this team learn to win than cash him out just to get the equivalent of a 2nd round pick in trade for him. The way he’s played I don’t think resigning him to a reasonable deal is out of the question.
As far as Moore, I just think a contender could use him down the stretch. If we think we could re-sign him on a reasonable contract, I agree we should not dump him for scraps. However, if not, I would prefer not to lose him for nothing if he could bring an asset.
This post was edited on 1/8/20 at 9:20 am
Posted on 1/8/20 at 11:04 am to cgrand
It'd be tuff to want your team to trade one of those guys but stats are showing they are better when one or the other is off the court. No way this team should be 5th in the division.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 11:09 am to iwyLSUiwy
I do wonder how many more wins this team would have is Moore had garnered more consistent minutes to start the year.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 11:26 am to BallHawk
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I do wonder how many more wins this team would have is Moore had garnered more consistent minutes to start the year.
Hard to say, the coaches decision DNP are the ones that baffle me. But i'd say if he was given the 20+ mpg he's getting now, the we get 2 more wins. Doesnt seem like much for a 7th(?) option, thats pretty good. Add Favors to the mix and we are probably 6-7 games better. So a .500 team and would be in the playoffs.
Back to fake trade. I just want Lauri Markkanen. He's taken a dip this year and he doesnt shoot the 3 as good as you'd like for somebody taking over 6 per game. Add that to the fact that i'm not sure how he would fit in with a lineup with Zion, unless you are using him as a straight SG AND that it wouldnt make a lot of sense for the Bulls to give him up right now AND I dont want to lose Jrue.
As I typed that it became pretty clear that that isnt happening.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 12:51 pm to NOSHAU
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We would be paying a few extra million for someone who does not help us progress past this year (which is a sunk year).
So? Mrs. Gayle has opened up the check book and we're far enough under the cap that the extra salary fits in this year's budget anyway. What are the negative repercussions of taking on extra payroll, even in a sunk year?
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As far as Moore, I just think a contender could use him down the stretch. If we think we could re-sign him on a reasonable contract, I agree we should not dump him for scraps. However, if not, I would prefer not to lose him for nothing if he could bring an asset.
I agree with everything you said here, I just think if you trade Moore it should be part of a bigger deal and I don't see any good fits for that unless we move Favors and picks too. So that's how I wound up looking at a Demps style my trash for your better fitting trash deal. It's really all I see happening for now. Too many other pieces need more time with Zion to evaluate before making a bigger move.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 12:56 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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No way this team should be 5th in the division.
14th in west.
Out of 15.
Team #15 lost 2 all star starters to injury. Just waived best inside player Marquiss Chriss because the others have guaranteed contracts.
"No way" they are at the borrom of division? It happened.
Exactly. Favors was out.
Zion was out.
Hayes is not ready.
Now Jrue is out.
This post was edited on 1/8/20 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 1/8/20 at 7:09 pm to CelticDog
I'm talking about the 76ers 
Posted on 1/8/20 at 8:13 pm to TigerinATL
What do y'all mean with "sunk year." I don't think I agree, but I don't want to argue with a vague phrase.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 9:11 am to GOP_Tiger
What do y'all think it would take to get OG Anunoby?
I'd really like to pair him up with Ingram and Zion. He's a great defender at the 3, a true 3 defender, 6'7" at 230 with a 7'2" wingspan, compared to Ingram 6'7" at 190.
Toronto gets Kuzma and our Cleveland 1st or maybe one of our Washington 2nd's, Lakers get Etwaun, and we get Bradley and Anunoby.
I'd really like to pair him up with Ingram and Zion. He's a great defender at the 3, a true 3 defender, 6'7" at 230 with a 7'2" wingspan, compared to Ingram 6'7" at 190.
Toronto gets Kuzma and our Cleveland 1st or maybe one of our Washington 2nd's, Lakers get Etwaun, and we get Bradley and Anunoby.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 9:13 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:Raptors value him a lot. I would think it would take much more to get him.
What do y'all think it would take to get OG Anunoby?
I'd really like to pair him up with Ingram and Zion. He's a great defender at the 3, a true 3 defender, 6'7" at 230 with a 7'2" wingspan, compared to Ingram 6'7" at 190.
Toronto gets Kuzma and our Cleveland 1st or maybe one of our Washington 2nd's, Lakers get Etwaun, and we get Bradley and Anunoby.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 9:15 am to NOSHAU
how much more? like adding Josh Hart to the deal?
Kuzma/Hart/Cleveland 1st?
I don't know if i'd want to send out Hart/Moore for him, even though i'd really like him.
Kuzma/Hart/Cleveland 1st?
I don't know if i'd want to send out Hart/Moore for him, even though i'd really like him.
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 9:20 am
Posted on 1/9/20 at 9:19 am to TeddyPadillac
why would TOR rather have kuzma and 2 seconds than OG?
Posted on 1/9/20 at 9:22 am to cgrand
is OG critical to their success?
His defense maybe is, but i don't think he's that valuable offensively to them. Kuzma can be a better offensively player than him, that's assuming Toronto would be interested in trading offense for defense.
Toronto has proven they can get the best out of pretty much anyone, and their scouting is top notch.
Never know if Toronto values Kuzma high or not.
His defense maybe is, but i don't think he's that valuable offensively to them. Kuzma can be a better offensively player than him, that's assuming Toronto would be interested in trading offense for defense.
Toronto has proven they can get the best out of pretty much anyone, and their scouting is top notch.
Never know if Toronto values Kuzma high or not.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 9:24 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:Realistically, how many teams would value Kuzma that high? Anunoby's offense is not nearly as bad as Kuzma's defense.
is OG critical to their success?
His defense maybe is, but i don't think he's that valuable offensively to them. Kuzma can be a better offensively player than him, that's assuming Toronto would be interested in trading offense for defense.
Toronto has proven they can get the best out of pretty much anyone, and their scouting is top notch.
Never know if Toronto values Kuzma high or not.
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 9:26 am
Posted on 1/9/20 at 9:31 am to NOSHAU
what was Kuzma's value his rookie year two years ago?
probably just as high as OG's if not more. OG was drafted 23rd, Kuzma 27th in 2017.
It's not like he forgot how to play basketball. Lebron makes you play his way. sometimes it makes you better, sometimes it makes you worse. If Toronto valued him, which they obviously valued OG more at the time of the draft, they may be interested.
As i said they have the best scouts in the NBA probably, and having the two cleveland 2nds (which won't be far off from their own 1st) is nice for them. It also allows them to trade their 1st and that 2nd to move up a few spots to get a guy they really like sometimes.
Toronto doens't have their '21 '22 or '23 second, not that it matters b/c they will be at the back end of the 2nd round.
probably just as high as OG's if not more. OG was drafted 23rd, Kuzma 27th in 2017.
It's not like he forgot how to play basketball. Lebron makes you play his way. sometimes it makes you better, sometimes it makes you worse. If Toronto valued him, which they obviously valued OG more at the time of the draft, they may be interested.
As i said they have the best scouts in the NBA probably, and having the two cleveland 2nds (which won't be far off from their own 1st) is nice for them. It also allows them to trade their 1st and that 2nd to move up a few spots to get a guy they really like sometimes.
Toronto doens't have their '21 '22 or '23 second, not that it matters b/c they will be at the back end of the 2nd round.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 9:32 am to TeddyPadillac
we are speculating but OG's value is at a high and kuzma's is at a low. i would kill to get OG though, its a good target
Posted on 1/9/20 at 9:42 am to cgrand
I am just speculating, which is what this thread was for.
so what do you guys think it would take to get him?
Would Moore and the 2nds be enough? i doubt that.
I think realistically, we would have to find a young player getting backup minutes on a playoff team that Toronto values, and that playoff team would need to value Moore so we can trade them him and maybe one of our Washington 2nd's.
Maybe Bertans from Washington. He's having a really good year. If we could get him for Miller and give Washington their 2 2nds back, then send Bertans to Toronto with the Cleveland 1st.
so what do you guys think it would take to get him?
Would Moore and the 2nds be enough? i doubt that.
I think realistically, we would have to find a young player getting backup minutes on a playoff team that Toronto values, and that playoff team would need to value Moore so we can trade them him and maybe one of our Washington 2nd's.
Maybe Bertans from Washington. He's having a really good year. If we could get him for Miller and give Washington their 2 2nds back, then send Bertans to Toronto with the Cleveland 1st.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:02 am to TeddyPadillac
i think you'd have to make TOR a godfather offer for him now, as odd as that seems. next year gasol & ibaka come off their books, and they'll re-sign van vleet
OG still has another year on his rookie deal and they'll push to get him to sign an extension (25% is max but they'll likely get him for less). when that deal kicks in, lowry comes off. their cap sheet is as clean as it gets and they have all their firsts going forward.
as a trade partner, they hold all the cards.
OG still has another year on his rookie deal and they'll push to get him to sign an extension (25% is max but they'll likely get him for less). when that deal kicks in, lowry comes off. their cap sheet is as clean as it gets and they have all their firsts going forward.
as a trade partner, they hold all the cards.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:09 am to TeddyPadillac
Toronto may not want to give up OG.
You could likely get Miami to give up Winslow for Kuzma though by using the same deal, and probably not have to give up any picks.
Miami: Bradley,Kuzma
Pels: Winslow
Lakers: Moore
Opens up a roster spot for Lakers to sign Collison also, and it gets Miami out of the tax
You could likely get Miami to give up Winslow for Kuzma though by using the same deal, and probably not have to give up any picks.
Miami: Bradley,Kuzma
Pels: Winslow
Lakers: Moore
Opens up a roster spot for Lakers to sign Collison also, and it gets Miami out of the tax
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