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Someone Defend Willie’s Coaching
Posted on 4/1/24 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 4/1/24 at 11:01 pm
Rotations were atrocious. Offensive game plan was non-existent. Booker destroyed us again. No challenge on a few very questionable calls, and only time he got in the refs face was a very clear foul on Dyson.
We clearly need to move on from CJ, Jonas, and Larry, but Willie’s inept coaching is doing us no favors.
With even moderate upgrade this team would be top 3 in the West.
We clearly need to move on from CJ, Jonas, and Larry, but Willie’s inept coaching is doing us no favors.
With even moderate upgrade this team would be top 3 in the West.
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Posted on 4/1/24 at 11:15 pm to lionward2014
I know they love CJs leadership and what not, but we really need to trade him and use our assets to get that third star, someone who plays great on both sides of the court.
We have too many assets to not have a major improvement this offseason.
We have too many assets to not have a major improvement this offseason.
Posted on 4/1/24 at 11:25 pm to lionward2014
OK...I'll be your huckleberry.
I think he's getting a bit too much criticism. He has his faults for sure but I'm not sure this team has what I'd call a "superstar"...and our 2 best players have severe weaknesses in their game...plus, BOTH have a style of play that gives him very little flexibility in running a solid all-around offensive scheme. I'm not even sure how many teams out there would even WANT... our current Batman OR Robin, considering their salary and other baggage that comes with them.
Once again, not a huge fan of Willie...but he's been dealt a fairly weak hand...& whatever happens, it's definitely time to get shed of some serious dead weight on our roster.
Not sure this qualifies as much of a "defense" of Willie...but it's the best I could come up with...at the moment. So, that's my story... & I'm stickin' to it.
I think he's getting a bit too much criticism. He has his faults for sure but I'm not sure this team has what I'd call a "superstar"...and our 2 best players have severe weaknesses in their game...plus, BOTH have a style of play that gives him very little flexibility in running a solid all-around offensive scheme. I'm not even sure how many teams out there would even WANT... our current Batman OR Robin, considering their salary and other baggage that comes with them.
Once again, not a huge fan of Willie...but he's been dealt a fairly weak hand...& whatever happens, it's definitely time to get shed of some serious dead weight on our roster.
Not sure this qualifies as much of a "defense" of Willie...but it's the best I could come up with...at the moment. So, that's my story... & I'm stickin' to it.
Posted on 4/1/24 at 11:36 pm to Dinky Mulberry
He called two timeouts in the first quarter. After both timeouts, the Suns continued to make runs. I don't know what kind of adjustments he was trying to made tonight early on in that game but it seemed like after every timeout, the Suns went on an even bigger run. We lost that game in the first quarter and never really recovered.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 1:14 am to TeddyPadillac
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use our assets to get that third star,
I’m not even sure we have one bona fide star at this moment. People who you can count on to take over when the pressure is really on. There’s probably on 15 legit superstars league wide.
We have 2 very good players and several good players.
You see how easy Booker was scoring, getting to his spots, not really working, smooth… putting up 50. He does this frequently.
When have we ever seen BI do that? He’s a consistent 20-25 ppg and we get the occasional high 30s.
Zion seems to work so damn hard for his 25-30 and you get people like Luka putting up nightly 30 point triple doubles or SGA or Embiid who put up 45 every 3rd game
This post was edited on 4/2/24 at 1:23 am
Posted on 4/2/24 at 1:20 am to lionward2014
Trey barely playing the fourth quarter and having a good shooting night is inexcusable
Posted on 4/2/24 at 1:51 am to England_Pelican
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Zion seems to work so damn hard for his 25-30 and you get people like Luka putting up nightly 30 point triple doubles or SGA or Embiid who put up 45 every 3rd game
Next year this organization needs to make Zion shoot one three and a floater per game. Its the only to way stop these defenses.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 5:30 am to England_Pelican
I lean the other way. Zion has led us to huge wins and recently too. He took over the Bucks game. He took over the Clippers game. He took over the Pistons game. The Bucks and Pistons games were without another true guy that the defense had to worry about. Zion definitely is still a work in progress and has things to work on. However, if utilized properly, he is definitely good enough to take over and win games.
Devin Booker is a good basketball player, very good at times. He has played the majority of his games this year with Kevin freaking Durant on the court with him and they have been objectively worse than the Pelicans. The fact that we allowed him to score 50+ again is indefensible. No player has done it other than Wilt. Our effort defensively, our plan defensively, and our approach in what was the biggest game of the season deserves every bit of criticism Willie is getting. Nothing he tried worked. When you have that kind of effort in what is this big of a game there are huge red flags.
Devin Booker is a good basketball player, very good at times. He has played the majority of his games this year with Kevin freaking Durant on the court with him and they have been objectively worse than the Pelicans. The fact that we allowed him to score 50+ again is indefensible. No player has done it other than Wilt. Our effort defensively, our plan defensively, and our approach in what was the biggest game of the season deserves every bit of criticism Willie is getting. Nothing he tried worked. When you have that kind of effort in what is this big of a game there are huge red flags.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 5:38 am to ThePistol
We have now played 2 straight games against teams who have decided to not even attempt to guard our centers. Nurkic and Porzingis just stayed in the lane to double Zion all game. I have yet to see one counter to this strategy from our staff. We haven’t used our 5’s to screen away from the ball for our best shooters, we haven’t had them moving to cause confusion as their man stares at Zion. Phoenix and Boston both outschemed and out hustled us. A lot of that is on coaching.
This post was edited on 4/2/24 at 5:39 am
Posted on 4/2/24 at 5:46 am to ThePistol
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have now played 2 straight games against teams who have decided to not even attempt to guard our centers
I wish there was a way we could know which assistant coach was in charge of the game plan for each game.
We seem to have one or two games where its an amazing gameplan like Milwaukee, then a couple duds, then another amazing game.
The largest problem is during timeouts Willie’s only adjustment is telling the guys “We have to play harder” and that’s it, he may put in Jose or Naji to see if there’s any momentum change, but zero adjustment in scheme.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 7:02 am to Soggymoss
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The largest problem is during timeouts Willie’s only adjustment is telling the guys “We have to play harder” and that’s it
Because he's not an NBA coach .. at least not a good one.
His main credential is working for Monty Williams, who it turns out, is pretty average without one of the best PGs in the last 20 years
Posted on 4/2/24 at 7:12 am to Soggymoss
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The largest problem is during timeouts Willie’s only adjustment is telling the guys “We have to play harder” and that’s it, he may put in Jose or Naji to see if there’s any momentum change, but zero adjustment in scheme.
That's not true at all. What you hear on "inside the nba" timeout stuff is heavily edited. They won't reveal coaching strategy, they just show you the fluff.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 7:26 am to lionward2014
Phoenix was better. Booker went off. You can’t really think that Willie bitching at officials would have changed the outcome. CJ, Jonas and Nance? We could gut the entire roster, I guess, and see what happens.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 8:13 am to VOR
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Booker went off
He averages 44 ppg in the last 4 against us, including 52 twice and 58. We are 0-3 in those games. At some point if a coach that emphasizes defense can’t figure out how to stop him from going off, that is a serious issue.
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You can’t really think that Willie bitching at officials would have changed the outcome
I think supporting your players, especially Zion, means something to them. Zion was clearly frustrated by some uneven whistles and Willie just stands there. He didn’t use his challenge and there were a couple late fouls when we were getting momentum he could have at least tried to challenge.
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CJ, Jonas and Nance? We could gut the entire roster, I guess, and see what happens.
No but CJ is a turnstile on defense so when his shooting dips like it has been he is a negative. Jonas and Nance have not contributed much of anything lately. We need to upgrade the 5 in a big way. A core of Zion, BI, Trey, Herb, Dyson, and Hawkins is still a very good group of players.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 8:28 am to England_Pelican
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Zion seems to work so damn hard for his 25-30
This is what stars do. A second star would take pressure off sime, ans take advantage of of Z's constant double teams
Posted on 4/2/24 at 8:36 am to jrobic4
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This is what stars do. A second star would take pressure off sime, ans take advantage of of Z's constant double teams
I have a few issues and I'm not sure it's all coaching.
Zion's bag is limited. If they are putting 2-3 guys in the paint, just waiting for him, this team is dead if they aren't shooting well. Zion needs some sort of mid-range game to pull these guys out of the paint when he has the ball. You can tell what kind of night it will be when he zips his first pass to a wide open 3 point shooter and they brick it. No team will feel the need to come out to defend him on the perimeter if he doesn't do something other than dribble into the triple team.
And I like JV, but he can't help when the opposing 5 is just sitting at the foul line, leaving him wide open at the top of the arc and he's just looking to pass.
This post was edited on 4/2/24 at 8:38 am
Posted on 4/2/24 at 9:01 am to SaintEB
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Zion's bag is limited. If they are putting 2-3 guys in the paint, just waiting for him, this team is dead if they aren't shooting well. Zion needs some sort of mid-range game to pull these guys out of the paint when he has the ball. You can tell what kind of night it will be when he zips his first pass to a wide open 3 point shooter and they brick it. No team will feel the need to come out to defend him on the perimeter if he doesn't do something other than dribble into the triple team.
I feel this is a coach's number one job. You have to be able to put your best players in a position to succeed. Giving Zion the ball at the top of the key and facing a wall or posting him up with the other team's center sitting in the lane isn't doing a good job of giving our best player an advantage. Where is the off ball movement? Where are the low screens we saw a few weeks ago? Why are Jonas and Larry spotting up on the three point line? Why don't we make personnel adjustments to counter a team's defensive plan? I don't know if I saw more than 2 dribble handoffs with Zion last night. It was a terrible plan offensively and defensively. That is coaching.
Despite all of that, Zion still scored 30 points on 20 shots last night. In contrast, CJ scored 15 points on 17 shots and Jonas scored 11 points on 10 shots. The problem wasn't Zion's efficiency, the problem was our terrible plan to start the game. Zion was a non factor in the first quarter. That is coaching. The problem was Devin Booker scored 50+ points for the third time in a row against us despite us having perhaps the best perimeter defender in the league. That is coaching.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 9:13 am to SaintEB
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If they are putting 2-3 guys in the paint, just waiting for him, this team is dead if they aren't shooting well. Zion needs some sort of mid-range game to pull these guys out of the paint when he has the ball. You can tell what kind of night it will be when he zips his first pass to a wide open 3 point shooter and they brick it.
See this is the coaching issue. We shot 41% last night from 3, issue was we only shot 27. They had Beal guarding Zion and Nurkic sagging off Jonas/Larry to help. It wasn't until late in the 3rd/early in the 4th that they started running plays to exploit it, and then Willie sat Trey for most of the 4th.
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And I like JV, but he can't help when the opposing 5 is just sitting at the foul line, leaving him wide open at the top of the arc and he's just looking to pass.
Preach. We had way too many good 3 looks that we passed up on trying to find great shots.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 10:21 am to England_Pelican
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Zion seems to work so damn hard for his 25-30
This is absolutely correct, but it is 100% on coaching and surrounding players. With a competent point guard, he'd have 16 easy points a game without having to drive a single time. He makes back door cuts 5 or 6 times a game without touching the ball. (Dyson did hit him on 2 last night). He routinely gets solid post position only to watch ball handlers dribble to the other side of the court. He's completely ignored after rolling from a pick. Last night he had Bradley freaking Beal covering him and was ignored by CJ and Willie until the third quarter. Different day, same story.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 10:26 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:Paul George sign and trade!!!
I know they love CJs leadership and what not, but we really need to trade him and use our assets to get that third star, someone who plays great on both sides of the court.
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