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re: So what IS a trade you would take for Jrue Holiday?
Posted on 6/4/19 at 7:02 am to brmark70816
Posted on 6/4/19 at 7:02 am to brmark70816
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Check what facts? With incentives and options, Holiday signed a 5y/150M+ deal. It was a max deal, at the time.
Wrong. He signed a 5 year 132 mil deal (if he attains all of his incentive pay, 128 mil if he doesn't).
I believe there was a rumor at the time that Indy was offering 3/90 or something to that effect.
ETA: I see you have already addressed this.
This post was edited on 6/4/19 at 7:22 am
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Posted on 6/4/19 at 11:34 am to corndeaux
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here's no emotion in saying moving him immediately for more 2019 draft picks may not be the best move. Selling everything of value because it's a "fresh start" can be seen as an emotional move too.
Nor is there emotion in saying that they seem to have gone to him about being the team leader and he is all in at this point. Trading him weeks after that conversation without any change in attitude or understanding is not a good look. People tend to value security and honesty.
I never said he was untouchable. In fact, I said moving him at the deadline or next summer makes a lot of sense and he will still have value. I have said multiple times in other threads he is most likely not going to be a part of the next good Pelicans team.
I just don't see this great value in moving him right now, especially if the return is what I have seen in this thread.
What offer would you take for him?
Spot on, though I do wonder about the "next good Pelicans team" point. It will be interesting to see what Holiday's last "big contract" will be and whether it won't be worth it (we don't want to end up in a Houston/CP3 type situation). If all goes to plan, and both sides are being realistic about his value, I could very much see Jrue Holiday wanting to "finish what he started".
I would not have argued before last season that Jrue was very nearly untouchable, but I don't think people fully realize just how competitive we were despite being completely outclassed talent wise after the AD drama. Every single one of those young players who were grinding pointed to Jrue Holiday. Every single one.
The year before that in the playoffs, people were arguing Holiday may very well be the best two way guard in the entire NBA. Dude is criminally underrated.
The reason it would take a massive haul for me to consider is that I truly want to see whether or not Jrue is the leader we all hope he can be. It's a gamble I'm willing to take from everything I've read or heard about him.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 12:00 pm to ShamelessPel
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would not have argued before last season that Jrue was very nearly untouchable, but I don't think people fully realize just how competitive we were despite being completely outclassed talent wise after the AD drama. Every single one of those young players who were grinding pointed to Jrue Holiday. Every single one.
I think the Jrue’s “leadership” has become a buzzword. I’m just not sold he wants to be they guy on bad teams. He’s said AD was 90% of the reason he came back, he thought Boogie would be back, and he maxed out his money by signing with us. Who knows wht jrue is saying behind closed doors?
Okafor, Payton, Kenrich, Wood, Randle, Frank J, Diallo.. these guys all had motivation to go all out last year. I’m not sure it was due to jrue though I’m sure he impacted the more impressionable guys. That’s a pretty unique roster construction that hopefully we never have to deal with again
On the flip you had guys like Solo, Ian clark and Moore checked out, farting around at the end of the bench. The AD saga
I don’t think anyone is underrating or selling jrue short. The reason people would entertain trading him is for the exact opposite reason
Posted on 6/4/19 at 12:06 pm to Jon1798
Morant and $300 million in unmarked bills.
He's one of the best defenders, capable of brilliance on offense.
I don't see trading him.
He's fabulous.
He's one of the best defenders, capable of brilliance on offense.
I don't see trading him.
He's fabulous.
This post was edited on 6/4/19 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 6/4/19 at 12:42 pm to CelticDog
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He's one of the best defenders, capable of brilliance on offense.
exactly... he's one of the best 2 way guards in the league, and he's a veteran presence on a team that is about to have a ton of youth and development, where a veteran will be needed to help guide these dudes...
I honestly don't think there is any way they give up Jrue, when dealing AD already puts a dent in veteran leadership on this team...
Posted on 6/4/19 at 12:48 pm to GynoSandberg
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I think the Jrue’s “leadership” has become a buzzword.
Overplayed a little...perhaps. But he gets that moniker because he works his tail off on the court. It's not because he says anything publicly. He just goes out and gets shite done.
This post was edited on 6/4/19 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 6/4/19 at 12:51 pm to carrguitar
I love Jrue, but with AD out the door and everything we are considering in compensation, I don't see Jrue fitting our timeline. Unless we flip some picks for a Bradley Beal type, we may want to trade him for more young assets to build up with Zion.
If we keep him, there is literally no one better to mentor a high motor guy like Zion.
If we keep him, there is literally no one better to mentor a high motor guy like Zion.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 3:24 pm to GynoSandberg
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I’m just not sold he wants to be they guy on bad teams
Probably not. But I am sold the guy will bust his arse on the court as long as he is out there and that he will put the time in off the court too.
I definitely don't think we should envision Holiday as a guy who needs to finish his career in New Orleans. I'm not against it, but I don't know if it will make a ton of sense. If the Pels are 30-40 win team for the next couple of years, which seems like a reasonable outcome, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he asks for a trade to a playoff team.
I just wouldn't be in a hurry to deal him now and ensure the Pels are a 20-30 win team for the next few years though.
This post was edited on 6/4/19 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 6/4/19 at 11:14 pm to Jon1798
Just not interested in Trading Jrue right now. Need him to keep the team settled and frankly lead it next season. Maybe a year from now they could or even should move him
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