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re: So what IS a trade you would take for Jrue Holiday?
Posted on 6/3/19 at 4:47 pm to brmark70816
Posted on 6/3/19 at 4:47 pm to brmark70816
quote:Check your facts, because we did not give him the max. Do you even follow the NBA or just started once we got the #1 pick?
Pretty close. I get that contracts are structured a certain way. But we still gave him the max. We couldn't have given him anymore. Those are the contracts you only give to "franchise" stars. Has he lived up to that? Ehh.. he's been alright. He does make more than Leonard and Giannis. Perhaps that isn't a fair comparison, but it's a fact. He is paid to be a star and he just isn't..
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Posted on 6/3/19 at 4:50 pm to brmark70816
quote:And do you think Green can carry a team on his own or do you think Leonard, Siakam and cast have anything to do with it?
I'd never heard of this stat, so I looked it up. Danny Green is 10th and 12th..
Posted on 6/3/19 at 5:25 pm to Lester Earl
I think Jrue provides the Pelicans value that would be hard to replicate if he is seen as “what can we get for him”
1) Zion is very athletic but one of his big knocks is undisciplined defensive play. In my opinion Jrue is a great mentor to bring this aspect of zions game to elite levels. If we somehow land Ja then this goes double for him as a lengthy guard like Jrue.
2) when spearheading a culture change you need a veteran to lead the charge. Jrue is the personification of what Griffin appears to want the culture to be
I don’t think these two things will ever be returned in a trade. Definitely not ones with young players and picks.
1) Zion is very athletic but one of his big knocks is undisciplined defensive play. In my opinion Jrue is a great mentor to bring this aspect of zions game to elite levels. If we somehow land Ja then this goes double for him as a lengthy guard like Jrue.
2) when spearheading a culture change you need a veteran to lead the charge. Jrue is the personification of what Griffin appears to want the culture to be
I don’t think these two things will ever be returned in a trade. Definitely not ones with young players and picks.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 6:04 pm to Jon1798
Only if we had to:
Pelicans get: V Oladipo & Myles Turner
Pacers get: Jrue, gets to play with his brother Aaron...
Pelicans get: V Oladipo & Myles Turner
Pacers get: Jrue, gets to play with his brother Aaron...
Posted on 6/3/19 at 6:25 pm to CheeseTiger251
If they wanted to change the culture they would have fired Gentry. That narrative is kind of silly. Signing a cheap veteran to help with team building is not unheard of. Jrue Holliday is an expensive, oft injured commodity to keep around solely for that, especially given his stock will never be higher.
The rare ascension to your max abilities as a 29 yr old is super rare, as quick as it came it can and will be gone just as fast.
The rare ascension to your max abilities as a 29 yr old is super rare, as quick as it came it can and will be gone just as fast.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 6:39 pm to Lester Earl
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oft injured commodity
Hasn't missed a game due to actual injury in 3 years
His wife's ordeal and getting shut down due to the successful tanking operation is what skews those numbers
Posted on 6/3/19 at 7:37 pm to Jon1798
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Would #6 and Mikal Bridges interest many here?
This is what I hope will happen.
Take Coby White with the 6th pick, bring in Mikal Bridges, who projects to be an elite 3 and D player, as well as their Bucks' pick next draft.
Would be perfectly happy with this result
This post was edited on 6/3/19 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 6/3/19 at 7:40 pm to LosLobos111
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Hasn't missed a game due to actual injury in 3 years
He missed games this past year
Posted on 6/3/19 at 8:29 pm to Jon1798
1st pick of the draft
Posted on 6/3/19 at 10:52 pm to Jon1798
I like Jrue but if we get the Celtics package for AD including Tatum and the Grizz pick. I’d be looking to NY to trade him for #3. NY isn’t going to keep that pick if they land two max free agents. Jrue is under the max and like someone said is a perfect #3 on a championship team. Plus he’s played on the east coast already.
He’s ten years older than Zion so it makes no sense to keep him around. He’s won one playoff series with us. One. Tatum and Brown were a couple shots from actually carrying a team to the finals, so they have a winning culture instilled in them already. They have only been in the league a couple years and have way more experience in the playoffs. Don’t need Jrue for that.
Draft Barrett with that pick or hope the Grizz will flip flop 2 and 3 for some assets so we can get Ja to pair with Zion.
He’s ten years older than Zion so it makes no sense to keep him around. He’s won one playoff series with us. One. Tatum and Brown were a couple shots from actually carrying a team to the finals, so they have a winning culture instilled in them already. They have only been in the league a couple years and have way more experience in the playoffs. Don’t need Jrue for that.
Draft Barrett with that pick or hope the Grizz will flip flop 2 and 3 for some assets so we can get Ja to pair with Zion.
This post was edited on 6/3/19 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 6/4/19 at 12:41 am to NOSHAU
Check what facts? With incentives and options, Holiday signed a 5y/150M+ deal. It was a max deal, at the time. To my knowledge, that was the most he could have got and was about 50M more than anybody else could guarantee or was offering..
Posted on 6/4/19 at 12:47 am to TigerinATL
Jrue for SGA and Shamet would be great but I don’t think the clippers would do that unless they get Kawhi and are in win now mode.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 12:58 am to Macintosh
I think the Clips would do that in a heartbeat. I talk smack about Holiday, but he is still valuable. Like most, I prefer him to Davis and he would have a huge market. It wouldn't be that much lower than Davis, certainly not half..
Posted on 6/4/19 at 2:30 am to Lester Earl
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Jrue will never be worth more than what he’s worth right now. And if AD goes he has no value here long term.
Jrue gives the young guys a chance to make the postseason earlier than a full rebuild would and would accelerate the experience level while providing a positive/full-effort atmosphere for these guys coming in.
I’m not saying that it’s the right or wrong move, but it’s not so black and white. Maybe these formative years for Zion could use someone like Jrue to maximize his potential, someone that will provide a good example and push him to be his absolute best while playing team basketball. I’m not saying Zion doesn’t have the desire to be great, but things like working out in the offseason with Jrue/playing defense and being held accountable on that end of the floor are definitely intangibles.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 2:36 am to brmark70816
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Check what facts? With incentives and options, Holiday signed a 5y/150M+ deal. It was a max deal, at the time. To my knowledge, that was the most he could have got and was about 50M more than anybody else could guarantee or was offering..
This is simply wrong. Jrue isn’t making that much money for one, and he isn’t maxed out for two. I’m not sure where this “fact” started floating around and being regurgitated on here so much.
People are somehow underrating Jrue in all of this. He likely doesn’t have more than 3-4 years at this level probably, but after last season, I can’t wait for him to prove all the “trade Jrue for SGA” crowd wrong next season. Team was competitive with Holiday and a bunch of dog poo last year. Will be interesting to see what Jrue and some talent can do with Jrue at the helm and our young guys/role players taking on his attitude/effort and playing their arse off every night.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 3:50 am to ShamelessPel
I'll admit I'm wrong on this. It took me some time, but I found what his max would have been for us (5y/175m). For other teams 4y/130m. It didn't help that SI, Forbes and a bunch of other sites all had headlines that read "Holiday signs max deal". But they were wrong. My fault..
Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:05 am to Lester Earl
There's no emotion in saying moving him immediately for more 2019 draft picks may not be the best move. Selling everything of value because it's a "fresh start" can be seen as an emotional move too.
Nor is there emotion in saying that they seem to have gone to him about being the team leader and he is all in at this point. Trading him weeks after that conversation without any change in attitude or understanding is not a good look. People tend to value security and honesty.
I never said he was untouchable. In fact, I said moving him at the deadline or next summer makes a lot of sense and he will still have value. I have said multiple times in other threads he is most likely not going to be a part of the next good Pelicans team.
I just don't see this great value in moving him right now, especially if the return is what I have seen in this thread.
What offer would you take for him?
Nor is there emotion in saying that they seem to have gone to him about being the team leader and he is all in at this point. Trading him weeks after that conversation without any change in attitude or understanding is not a good look. People tend to value security and honesty.
I never said he was untouchable. In fact, I said moving him at the deadline or next summer makes a lot of sense and he will still have value. I have said multiple times in other threads he is most likely not going to be a part of the next good Pelicans team.
I just don't see this great value in moving him right now, especially if the return is what I have seen in this thread.
What offer would you take for him?
This post was edited on 6/4/19 at 6:07 am
Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:27 am to WITCH DOCTOR
LOL
Posted on 6/4/19 at 6:36 am to dtrtigerhwy23
Glad you got the sarcasm...
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