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re: Shams says Pelicans are “aggressively pursuing” a top 2-3 pick for Scoot
Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:14 pm to brmark70816
Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:14 pm to brmark70816
People over rate what they have.
We have Zion and all the hope that came with him so ppl think we should get a Rudy package for him .
Charlotte has the number 2 pick and the rights to a guy that seems to be highly coveted and thr hope that comes with him so their fans think he’s an mvp candidate and they should take him or be able to get a huge haul for him .
Zion has ridiculous upside but has played 29 games in 2 years and has never been the definition of health and fitness . 4 years in …at what point do ppl start to forget or ignore the upside and just view him for what he is? For a guy that’s been healthy do we say 328 games is a small sample ?
He’s dominant when he plays but is lazy , has bad habits , and hasn’t been on the court enough to help. If you are the hornets gm , would that not concern you?
We have Zion and all the hope that came with him so ppl think we should get a Rudy package for him .
Charlotte has the number 2 pick and the rights to a guy that seems to be highly coveted and thr hope that comes with him so their fans think he’s an mvp candidate and they should take him or be able to get a huge haul for him .
Zion has ridiculous upside but has played 29 games in 2 years and has never been the definition of health and fitness . 4 years in …at what point do ppl start to forget or ignore the upside and just view him for what he is? For a guy that’s been healthy do we say 328 games is a small sample ?
He’s dominant when he plays but is lazy , has bad habits , and hasn’t been on the court enough to help. If you are the hornets gm , would that not concern you?
This post was edited on 6/15/23 at 9:17 pm
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Posted on 6/15/23 at 9:21 pm to Chalkywhite84
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You're telling me mj wouldn't give up the #2 pick for zion
He can't. He has to send out salary to match. So the Hornets would have to include players as well. I pulled the quote below:
"Williamson is set to have a $33.5 million starting salary once the new league year rolls in. The Hornets and Blazers would be required to send back $26 million in outgoing salaries to match for Williamson, not including their first-round pick, which wouldn’t count toward salary matching. The Hornets can get there with Terry Rozier and a small salary, while the Blazers can match with a combination of Anfernee Simons and a small salary."
So it can't be one for one. The Hornets have to send more.
But no. From everything I have seen, the Hornets would not do a straight swap. Zion does not have that type of value. There is a huge contingent of people that are either on the fence on him or just out completely. We see that on here.
Let's be honest, his value is in the crapper. It's actually not a good time to trade him. I get it. But it can get lower (.. Ben Simmons), to where we have to give stuff away to move him. The valuations of him, by some on here, don't make sense. He couldn't have pulled a top 3 pick last summer. He didn't improve his stock missing over 50 games..
Posted on 6/16/23 at 12:27 am to brmark70816
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So it can't be one for one. The Hornets have to send more.
Haywards on an expiring and would be a see less fit off the bench for BI and Trey (assuming you start both of them) minutes. However, with our injury issues, no way Hayward plays 60 games.
He makes the most sense on paper, but consider Bridges is who they want to sign and trade.
New Orleans took Shinn in, what’s one more? Lol.
Hayward Bridges and the #2, +2 firsts.
This post was edited on 6/16/23 at 12:30 am
Posted on 6/16/23 at 1:32 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
You are expecting #2, Hayward (positive asset), Bridges (good player, shite human, and 2 firsts for Zion rn?
Posted on 6/16/23 at 5:50 am to brmark70816
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I get it. But it can get lower (.. Ben Simmons), to where we have to give stuff away to move him.
Uh, not really. Did you look at the contract. They can cut him and lose virtually nothing. Why would you give away anything if you can simply cut him.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 6:19 am to touchdownjeebus
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, not really. Did you look at the contract. They can cut him and lose virtually nothing. Why would you give away anything if you can simply cut
That is not true.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 7:03 am to touchdownjeebus
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Uh, not really. Did you look at the contract. They can cut him and lose virtually nothing. Why would you give away anything if you can simply cut him.
I swear people just make shite up.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 7:11 am to brmark70816
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That is not true.
Yeah I don’t know why this keeps getting thrown around, it reduces the amount of guaranteed money by a few million, the clause doesn’t allow us to cut him without penalty.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 7:12 am to saintslsupels
But there are outs for pels on his contract down the road…there’s points where pels can jump off if Zion hasn’t meet marks..forget exact details but there’s
protection for pels on his contract, past the weigh in clause
protection for pels on his contract, past the weigh in clause
This post was edited on 6/16/23 at 7:34 am
Posted on 6/16/23 at 7:34 am to BradleyBadd
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there’s points where pels can jump off if Zion hasn’t meet marks..forget exact details but there’s ma
No there’s not. His guaranteed money would be reduced by a few million if he were cut due to weight or injury, but Pels would still be on the hook for the whole contract minus 10 million or so.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 7:43 am to BradleyBadd
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But there are outs for pels on his contract down the road…there’s points where pels can jump off if Zion hasn’t meet marks..forget exact details but there’s protection for pels on his contract, past the weigh in clause
Again people just make shite up. There’s never been anything in his contract like this.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 8:20 am to saintslsupels
Not all reports are including…everyone wants to talk about the weigh in clause…I the athletic article brings up other protections but only digs into weigh in clause. So fwiw, iIRC woj saying there’s something after year 3. I’m not claiming there wouldn’t be “any losses” for pels but some more protections aswell
This post was edited on 6/16/23 at 8:24 am
Posted on 6/16/23 at 8:21 am to BradleyBadd
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the athletic article brings up other protections
The other protection is injury protection for his foot, but that again only reduces the amount of guaranteed money by a few million.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 8:35 am to Soggymoss
Athletic….”Along with the clause about Williamson’s weight and body fat percentage, New Orleans went into negotiations with the intention of giving itself some options in case injuries continue to be an issue for the Pels star.”
This post was edited on 6/16/23 at 8:41 am
Posted on 6/16/23 at 8:45 am to Soggymoss
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The other protection is injury protection for his foot, but that again only reduces the amount of guaranteed money by a few million.
You don’t know this, why do y’all keep repeating. We have no idea the amount that is un guaranteed. What has been reported is that he didn’t play enough games last year to stop his contract from becoming partially guaranteed.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 10:36 am to Soggymoss
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I still like my proposal before of:
Blazers: Ingram,#14
Hornets: Simons,#3
Pels: Sharpe, #2, #27
I don't see the Blazers giving up both Sharpe and Simons for Ingram.
Sharpe is a future stud on a rookie contract.
That's a good deal for the Pels, a great deal for the Hornets, and leaves the Blazers with no backcourt mate for Dame.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 11:36 am to 3PieceSpicy
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You are expecting #2, Hayward (positive asset), Bridges (good player, shite human, and 2 firsts for Zion rn?
And 2 seconds.
I think the package represents appropriate value for Zion. An expiring contract (who happens to be a good bench player) a troublemaker, and a potential good player, but with Zions ceiling being an all nba level player and commitment to fitness is the only thing in the way, not a terrible sway, imo.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 1:03 pm to Jax-Tiger
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Sharpe is a future stud on a rookie contract.
Pels should've traded up for sharpe.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 1:04 pm to Chalkywhite84
And which team was willing to trade down?
Posted on 6/16/23 at 2:14 pm to supe12sta12z
Shams on the Pat Mcafee show today said the Hornets want Ingram LINK
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