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re: ScoopB: All of the Brandon Ingram offers are “crap”
Posted on 7/16/24 at 8:53 am to Dantheman504
Posted on 7/16/24 at 8:53 am to Dantheman504
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It seems like there may be teams willing to pay BI (4) 208. But those teams do not want to give up extra assets to do so.
If any team genuinely thought he was a max level player, they would give up assets for him. I can't imagine the asking price is too high at this point, if the alternative for us is him walking for nothing.
ETA: the issue is that teams don't want to have to give up assets and then give him a max level contract on top of that. If he was on a contract similar to DJ's then he would've already been traded. Teams don't want to have to negotiate a deal with him after trading for him.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 8:56 am
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Posted on 7/16/24 at 8:59 am to Balsamic_duck
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Cuz i would trade him right now for some expirings and 2 1sts.
Is that kind of offer even on the table?
I really don't think so, because I think he would've already been traded if they were. If your options are 2 firsts, or he walks for nothing, you take the 2 firsts. The problem is that there is a value discrepancy between what BI thinks he's worth and what every other team in the NBA thinks he's worth. If a team thought he was worth a max, they would've traded for him already. But you can't trade for him, and then hit an impasse in contract negotiations.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 9:01 am to Balsamic_duck
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Cuz i would trade him right now for some expirings and 2 1sts.
Is that kind of offer even on the table?
I'd doubt it at this point. Most rosters are set.
Maybe early in the process. But not all 1sts are the same, and they would probably want us taking back other deals as well, to make the money work..
Posted on 7/16/24 at 9:02 am to Epic Cajun
Come January, some team will may view Ingram similarly to Indy & Siakam.
Your trade will be similar as well:
Brown (solid player)
Salary filler (Nwora, Lewis)
2 1st rounders and a conditional 1st
That's the issue with the current CBA & salary; nobody wants to give up a farm for a player who's going into contract #3
Your trade will be similar as well:
Brown (solid player)
Salary filler (Nwora, Lewis)
2 1st rounders and a conditional 1st
That's the issue with the current CBA & salary; nobody wants to give up a farm for a player who's going into contract #3
Posted on 7/16/24 at 9:57 am to htran90
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nobody wants to give up a farm for a player who's going into contract #3
Well, I think teams would be fine giving up the farm for a true max player going into their 3rd contract. The issue is that teams don't want to give up assets to then overpay for a player.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:16 am to Epic Cajun
quote:
It seems like there may be teams willing to pay BI (4) 208. But those teams do not want to give up extra assets to do so.
If any team genuinely thought he was a max level player, they would give up assets for him. I can't imagine the asking price is too high at this point, if the alternative for us is him walking for nothing.
This is not necessarily true. Teams who want specific max guys want to pair players/ contracts with that player.
Yeah Doncic is a max player that we want but if we give up Zion/ Herb/ Trey/ CJ/ Hawk/ +picks to do so then is it worth it, does it make us better?
They want BI to make them better. Paying him 50mil isn't a great starting point so they better be keeping valuable assets if that's the plan.
quote:
It seems like there may be teams willing to pay BI (4) 208. But those teams do not want to give up extra assets to do so.
quote:
ETA: the issue is that teams don't want to have to give up assets and then give him a max level contract on top of that.
You just said what I said but flipped it lol.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 10:21 am
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:21 am to htran90
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2 1st rounders and a conditional 1st
the conditional is 2026 top 4 protected from Indy, so it's pretty much a mid/late first.
So Bruce Brown and 3 late firsts for an expiring Siakam that they had no idea if they would be able to resign.
I think Griff simply wanted more than that for BI, and no one was offering it.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:50 am to Dantheman504
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You just said what I said but flipped it lol.
But the real issue is that teams don't want to pay him a max contract, it's not giving up the assets that is the issue. Essentially, if he was on a cost controlled contract, something like 4/160 or so, I truly believe that he would be traded already.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:52 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:Sounds like we desperately need to get Spurs, Jazz or Pistons interested to get this type of deal.
the conditional is 2026 top 4 protected from Indy, so it's pretty much a mid/late first.
So Bruce Brown and 3 late firsts for an expiring Siakam that they had no idea if they would be able to resign.
I think Griff simply wanted more than that for BI, and no one was offering it.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:54 am to Epic Cajun
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But the real issue is that teams don't want to pay him a max contract, it's not giving up the assets that is the issue. Essentially, if he was on a cost controlled contract, something like 4/160 or so, I truly believe that he would be traded already.
Its both not an either/ or.
Teams would give up assets if BI cost 35-40mil.
Teams would not give up many assets at 50+mil but still want him.
I truly believe if he cost (4) 208 but was free then he'd also be gone
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 10:58 am
Posted on 7/16/24 at 11:01 am to Dantheman504
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I truly believe if he cost (4) 208 but was free then he'd also be gone
Agree to disagree here. I can't imagine our ask is that much at this point, if the other option is him walking for free.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 11:15 am to Epic Cajun
I'm not saying Detroit would pay BI or even trade for BI, but I have to think Griff is down to the bluffing stage of negotiation. On August 5th or 6th he can tell Ingram, sign the extension or have fun in Detroit and missing the playoffs instead of helping us contend.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 11:17 am
Posted on 7/16/24 at 1:02 pm to Epic Cajun
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I truly believe if he cost (4) 208 but was free then he'd also be gone
Agree to disagree here. I can't imagine our ask is that much at this point, if the other option is him walking for free.
The other option isn't walking for free. Its negotiating a contract to secure more assets in a trade/ bidding war. Whether that's tomorrow or half way through the season no one knows.
If we wanted to trade Brandon Ingram for free then yes someone would give him the max.
If Nets could trade BI for Ben Simmons straight up then it would be done.
If Detroit wanted to swap players it would be done.
shite Houston could do it with Adams/ Jeff Green/ Brooks and worry about the roster at the end of the season.
We aren't trying to just dump the contract.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 7/20/24 at 11:22 am to Balsamic_duck
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Him buying into defense, learning how to play off ball and raising his 3PAs will get him paid far more
i agree, but none of this, if he's stat chasing to get that max, is likely to happen.... he's going to do what he knows and trusts, and that's that iso ball dominant, midrange jumpshot bullshite he's been doing his entire career.... and he'll take far more of them to try to score more points, meaning less shots for Murray, less time the ball is in Zion's hands, less for everyone else...
Posted on 7/20/24 at 11:28 am to chRxis
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i agree, but none of this, if he's stat chasing to get that max, is likely to happen
Willie has a roster that lets him sit BI if BI isn't playing the way he wants. That wasn't true in the past.
Sure BI may still be the 2nd most talented player on the team, but I don't think anyone besides BI and his stans would complain if the closing lineup didn't include BI. You can easily make a case for the most cohesive 5 man lineup on this roster not including BI if he is going to stick to his bad habits.
Also, his problem isn't a bad attitude, it's habits that fit a bygone era. So I don't think him finding a way to fit in is hopeless either. He did get up over 6 3s per game his first 2 years when playing a different role. His bad habits weren't a problem then.
This post was edited on 7/20/24 at 11:30 am
Posted on 7/22/24 at 11:50 am to chRxis
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but none of this, if he's stat chasing to get that max, is likely to happen
I wouldn't put BI, or for that matter Zion as stat chasers. Actually been kind of the problem, a lot of us would like them to be a bit more. Pels have a mismatch at positions aside from the post each night, hopefully, WG and Borrego capitalize more often on mismatches within the structure of a crisp offense.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 12:15 pm to TigerinATL
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Also, his problem isn't a bad attitude, it's habits that fit a bygone era. So I don't think him finding a way to fit in is hopeless either. He did get up over 6 3s per game his first 2 years when playing a different role. His bad habits weren't a problem then.
It's almost like the team asked him to be a primary creator at the point of attack.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 12:34 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Wonder if there is a world where the Warriors miss on Markkanen and then pivot to Ingram. Still would require a third team but maybe Wiggins goes out (he's on the hook for 2 more years and $8m less).
Something like...
Pistons get Wiggins, picks
Warriors get Ingram
Pels get Stewart
There would more pieces than that but that would be the framework
Something like...
Pistons get Wiggins, picks
Warriors get Ingram
Pels get Stewart
There would more pieces than that but that would be the framework
Posted on 7/22/24 at 1:16 pm to BallHawk
quote:
Something like...
Pistons get Wiggins, picks
Warriors get Ingram
Pels get Stewart
There would more pieces than that but that would be the framework
The issue is BI's destination + whatever center we want.
The plan is to take BI or what we get from BI trade and turn some of that into a center. I don't think a guy like Stewart is the target there.
We might be able to get Allen with assets but we have to:
1. Find a BI trade partner
2. Create the necessary cap space to take back salary
3. Get the assets needed to make the trade
4. Acquire Allen (or whoever)
We probably already have a few offers for BI but those offers might not get us the player we want. And that is more important than trading BI for cap space or "getting what we can".
Posted on 7/22/24 at 1:54 pm to Dantheman504
I don't think Allen is in the cards. Atkinson loves him. That ship has sailed IMO, at least, for now.
If we want to make a deal before the season starts someone like Looney or Stewart makes a ton of sense unless Utah finally relents and trades us Kessler. Not many other options other than that IMO.
I know people have said to be patient with a potential BI trade but I think it would extremely detrimental to the locker room if he's on the team without an extension (I think it's going to be detrimental regardless but I digress)
Also, no one is saying it but BI or not...Trey ain't starting regardless (unless Zion plays the 5 which won't happen)
If we want to make a deal before the season starts someone like Looney or Stewart makes a ton of sense unless Utah finally relents and trades us Kessler. Not many other options other than that IMO.
I know people have said to be patient with a potential BI trade but I think it would extremely detrimental to the locker room if he's on the team without an extension (I think it's going to be detrimental regardless but I digress)
Also, no one is saying it but BI or not...Trey ain't starting regardless (unless Zion plays the 5 which won't happen)
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