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re: Rumors are Zion maybe signing with Klutch
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:37 am to FightinTigersDammit
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:37 am to FightinTigersDammit
quote:"no"
Does LeBron have a financial interest in Klutch?
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:40 am to shel311
quote:translated - "of course"
"no"
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:54 am to Lsuismyfav
quote:
AD has had an eye for LA for years, he purchased a house there before signing with Kluch.
It was 2 months before.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:59 am to Fun Bunch
And I'm sure a ton of players who don't, or have never played in LA own homes there.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 11:00 am to Epic Cajun
Correct. A huge number of players spend every offseason there training at UCLA and other venues. The UCLA "summer leagues" are legendary.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 11:03 am to Epic Cajun
And Rich Paul was shopping him heavily to the knicks and bucks as well, per MM. Also said he did shite that went against the best interest of Lebron. Dude's job is to do right by his client. This organization by all accounts was terrible up until the Griffin hire.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:08 pm to Pedro
Of course it was a one sided deal. It would have been the greatest haul for a player in NBA history. I have always said this and never waivered. No one can name a trade that would have come close to it..
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:13 pm to brmark70816
Better than Garnett and Pierce from Boston to Brooklyn?
Better than Melo from Denver to New York?
Better than Melo from Denver to New York?
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:22 pm to teke184
By far.. 6 players, 2 1st round picks and take on a 13M+ dead contact.. The sheer size of it is unprecedented..
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:23 pm to brmark70816
quantity does not equal quality
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:38 pm to cgrand
Bingo.
Boston turned all those picks and few dead years into a team which reached the ECF twice and still has secondary and tertiary assets left over from the deal since they kept flipping and re-flipping.
Denver turned that deal directly into a renewed team behind players like Gallinari and then was able to take the picks and keep flipping and reflipping them to pick up starters like Gary Harris and guys like Nurcic who became tradeable assets.
The LA deal? Lots of picks which were likely to be late firsts, meaning they were of middling quality. The players involved were either ballast due to expiring contracts (Beasley, Rondo, etc), were banged up in some way (Ball, Kuzma), and/or were coming up on a new contract (Ingram).
Lots of flash, not a tremendous amount of substance.
Boston turned all those picks and few dead years into a team which reached the ECF twice and still has secondary and tertiary assets left over from the deal since they kept flipping and re-flipping.
Denver turned that deal directly into a renewed team behind players like Gallinari and then was able to take the picks and keep flipping and reflipping them to pick up starters like Gary Harris and guys like Nurcic who became tradeable assets.
The LA deal? Lots of picks which were likely to be late firsts, meaning they were of middling quality. The players involved were either ballast due to expiring contracts (Beasley, Rondo, etc), were banged up in some way (Ball, Kuzma), and/or were coming up on a new contract (Ingram).
Lots of flash, not a tremendous amount of substance.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:50 pm to teke184
Neither of us can say how the deal would have turned out. Both of the Boston and Denver trades were supposedly won by the other teams at the time they were made. The Nets were supposed to be contenders for a few years, but Garnett and Pierce fell off a cliff fast. Carmelo Anthony couldn't lead a team, but the Knicks did make the playoffs with him.
I don't like the Lakers or their players. I just view it all as assets. It is a shite ton of capital. How we could have taken that and flipped them separately, would have given us a tremendous return. That is purely how I see it. Instead we are fishing for a star, which is almost complete luck. I'd rather have a loaded roster with tons of flexibility..
I don't like the Lakers or their players. I just view it all as assets. It is a shite ton of capital. How we could have taken that and flipped them separately, would have given us a tremendous return. That is purely how I see it. Instead we are fishing for a star, which is almost complete luck. I'd rather have a loaded roster with tons of flexibility..
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:51 pm to brmark70816
A shite ton of shite is still shite.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:51 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
Yup. Agents made significantly more on endorsements. Hence the all out press to get him to one of the two largest media markets despite both having shite ownership
An agent commission is capped at either 3% or 4% for the NBA (dont remember which). Agents for superstars and 1st round rookies generally drop that to 0-1% depending on the competition. On the endorsement deals, they get significantly more (10+%).
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:56 pm to brmark70816
Keep in mind the shelf life of your assets.
Of six players and a ton of picks
LA’s current year pick would have likely been in the 20s and of marginal use this year either directly or via trade.
Ball was in the midst of a leg injury that ended up shutting him down for the season and was actively campaigning not to come to New Orleans.
Ingram is still coming up on a contract but turned out to have DVT, which is potentially career threatening.
Kuzma has long term concerns about his hip and has made noise about how he would rather lose on a big market team than play on a small market team.
Etc.
Bringing in this haul is one thing but I don’t see how we would have been able to turn this gaggle of assholes into much we could use.
Of six players and a ton of picks
LA’s current year pick would have likely been in the 20s and of marginal use this year either directly or via trade.
Ball was in the midst of a leg injury that ended up shutting him down for the season and was actively campaigning not to come to New Orleans.
Ingram is still coming up on a contract but turned out to have DVT, which is potentially career threatening.
Kuzma has long term concerns about his hip and has made noise about how he would rather lose on a big market team than play on a small market team.
Etc.
Bringing in this haul is one thing but I don’t see how we would have been able to turn this gaggle of assholes into much we could use.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 12:57 pm to brmark70816
quote:
How we could have taken that and flipped them separately, would have given us a tremendous return.
lets look at that:
1) lonzo ball definitely could be moved. he's a good player with foundational skills (passing, floor vision, defense)...but he cannot shot (at all) so right now he's ricky rubio with a reality-star family. PHX feels like the only fit, but there is no way they'd have traded a 1st for him without heavy protection
2) hart/kuzma are role players. they are not the type of players other teams actively seek in individual trades...you aggregate those guys just like the lakers would be doing.
3) ingram i really like, i think he's got star potential. he would have been a player the pels would keep, and have to pay a 2nd contract max. now that we know his health issue, that could have been a disaster
4) the picks...had we gotten the lakers' 1st unprotected, we'd now have #4. but that was so highly unlikely at the time. the future picks would have unknown value
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:34 pm to cgrand
The last offer was Davis and Hill for Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, Zubac, KCP, Hart, 2019 1st and 2021 1st.
I can only assume the teams have about the same records if the trade goes through and the picks remain the same. If we do the trade, we do not trade Mirotic and perhaps we extend him. If we keep Mirotic, we can trade Randle and pick up similar value.
I love the idea of mentorship. I believe you pair Ball with Holiday and Kuzma and Mirotic, they become much better players. I would have traded Ingram straight away and believe you could have netted a 2020 1st, at worst. Zubac is rumored to get a 10M+ offer this summer. If so, we could have matched and got something for him. Or kept him. Hart would be the 3rd best guard if he was on our team now. So I can't say he doesn't have any value.
So we end up with a borderline all star PG (Ball), a solid rotational wing/stretch (Kuzma), the 4th pick this year, 1st rounders in 2020 and 2021, a movable piece or project Center (Zubac), a nice back-up SG and a ton of cap space to extend Mirotic and add other solid vets. Once again, that is insane value..
I can only assume the teams have about the same records if the trade goes through and the picks remain the same. If we do the trade, we do not trade Mirotic and perhaps we extend him. If we keep Mirotic, we can trade Randle and pick up similar value.
I love the idea of mentorship. I believe you pair Ball with Holiday and Kuzma and Mirotic, they become much better players. I would have traded Ingram straight away and believe you could have netted a 2020 1st, at worst. Zubac is rumored to get a 10M+ offer this summer. If so, we could have matched and got something for him. Or kept him. Hart would be the 3rd best guard if he was on our team now. So I can't say he doesn't have any value.
So we end up with a borderline all star PG (Ball), a solid rotational wing/stretch (Kuzma), the 4th pick this year, 1st rounders in 2020 and 2021, a movable piece or project Center (Zubac), a nice back-up SG and a ton of cap space to extend Mirotic and add other solid vets. Once again, that is insane value..
Posted on 5/22/19 at 2:48 pm to brmark70816
The pels mafe the right decision and im forever grateful they did not trade for all of those headaches
Posted on 5/22/19 at 3:07 pm to LosLobos111
I really don't care that we didn't do it. I kind of like that they were screwed over and Davis took a hit. But I can't join the club and keep saying how much the offer sucked. Its just not true. Plus I think of how set up we would be for the future. Imagine this..
Ball/Payton
Holiday/Hart
Bogdanovic/Reddish
Zion/Kuzma
Mirotic/Zubac
Plus a bench full of prospects, 2 1sts in 2020 and 2021. That is a scary team..
Ball/Payton
Holiday/Hart
Bogdanovic/Reddish
Zion/Kuzma
Mirotic/Zubac
Plus a bench full of prospects, 2 1sts in 2020 and 2021. That is a scary team..
Posted on 5/22/19 at 4:10 pm to Silverfoxx
This would have made me crap my pants before Griffin.
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