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re: Roster construction next year - way too early look
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:06 pm to sportsfan
Posted on 5/2/22 at 12:06 pm to sportsfan
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These two things are not the same. I actually think with the emergence of JA, Kira is very "touchable".
no, he's untouchable at this juncture, due to his team control and rookie salary. next year that might change, but for 2022-23 he's the definition of untouchable
Posted on 10/9/22 at 10:44 am to Don Pel
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CJ/Kira/Alvarado
Jones/Graham/Naji
Ingram/Murphy
Williamson/Hayes
Valanciunas/Nance Jr./Billy
*1st rd pick 2/3 or 3/4 prospects I don’t see us chasing free agents, we made our move early.
Zion Williamson rehabbed while they laughed. They won’t be laughing no mo’.
I’m still a huge Kira Lewis Jr. fan and see a world where he could be a Day 1 Starter next season.
I’m going to ease off the gas slightly on Kira. Kid still has hell of potential though.
I’ve been blind to the fact that Herb Jones is a Demi-God. I’m sorry. More blessings!
Dyson Daniels was the perfect acquisition for this team this off-season.
I don’t know who needs to hear this but Trey Murphy is not a center, I don’t care how well he defended Mobley in a SL game. He’s a wing, a Tall Wing.
Brandon (K)Ingram at shooting guard is what the games been missing.
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Posted on 10/9/22 at 11:03 am to Don Pel
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I don’t know who needs to hear this but Trey Murphy is not a center, I don’t care how well he defended Mobley in a SL game. He’s a wing, a Tall Wing.
Nobody has advocated for him to be center but a small ball 5. That’s usually when both teams put the centers on the bench so they can be more switchable on defense.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 11:13 am to TigerinATL
Okay, cool. Guess it wasn’t you who needed to hear it lol.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 2:38 pm to Don Pel
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Brandon (K)Ingram at shooting guard is what the games been missing.
It's not his spot and not where he wants to play. Ingram thrives at the 4, playing with one big. He has never played SG for any significant amount of time.
Next people will say positions don't matter. So I'll put this another way. He's not going to play with 3 other guys bigger than him, making him the defacto "2".
Posted on 10/9/22 at 2:53 pm to Terrific Tales
I know this was posted back in April, but even then...
LOL WUT?
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Untouchables
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Kira Lewis Jr.
LOL WUT?
Posted on 10/9/22 at 2:58 pm to Don Pel
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I’m going to ease off the gas slightly on Kira. Kid still has hell of potential though.
Being young =/= having potential
Posted on 10/9/22 at 3:11 pm to brmark70816
Lower your pitch fork and listen to CJ’s podcast around the time Ingram is talking about Cleveland’s backcourt.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 3:31 pm to Don Pel
"Positions" don't really matter in today's NBA, but skill sets do, and BI lacks the quickness necessary to defend well against most guards in the league.
That's the #1 reason that BI is a forward.
That's the #1 reason that BI is a forward.
Posted on 10/9/22 at 4:24 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Positions" don't really matter in today's NBA, but skill sets do, and BI lacks the quickness necessary to defend well against most guards in the league.
Good news is Herb can guard most if not all guards.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 1:22 am to GOP_Tiger
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Positions" don't really matter in today's NBA, but skill sets do, and BI lacks the quickness necessary to defend well against most guards in the league.
That's the #1 reason that BI is a forward.
I would say SG on offense and SF on defense
Stephen Curry is SG on offense and PG on defense for example also.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 1:24 am
Posted on 10/10/22 at 7:53 am to nicj4
I’m thinking we still need some bench wing depth and we will need to talk about a rim protecting center that can play some D but not be a liability on offense.
Pretty much the opposite of JV
Pretty much the opposite of JV
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:38 am to WicKed WayZ
Keep in mind the last guy before JV was Steven Adams before saying “the opposite of JV”.
Adams was good offensively but atrocious on defense.
Adams was good offensively but atrocious on defense.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:40 am to WicKed WayZ
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we will need to talk about a rim protecting center that can play some D but not be a liability on offense.
Brandon Clarke 1.21 same year as hayes, is probably available at trade deadline for not much, after Jj jr back in lineup. only 6 8. hops and d. enjoys playing D. no long game. shoots 3s in 20s. he's expiring. would be for the playoff run since hayes is out for quite a while and may not be ready.
probably get him for a "pick swap 24 or else a 24 2nd arrangement. and an immediate money balance move"
currently he's behind to sub for Jj jr after Santiago aldama. long way to trade deadline. one or two teams will give up by then. Clarke may be starting if someone else big goes down.
anyone really good is going cost. probably can have Green of gsw and unprotected 23 gsw #1 for herb or just green for tm3.
greens's expiring. d but meh offense.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:47 am to CelticDog
“Pick swap 24” gets messy depending on things.
Could we potentially frick the Lakers by having a three way pick swap to where they get the worst of ours, theirs and the Memphis pick?
Edit - sorry, confused on picks.
23 is the Laker swap. 24 is the deferrable Laker pick.
Could we potentially frick the Lakers by having a three way pick swap to where they get the worst of ours, theirs and the Memphis pick?
Edit - sorry, confused on picks.
23 is the Laker swap. 24 is the deferrable Laker pick.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 8:49 am
Posted on 10/10/22 at 9:09 am to teke184
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23 is the Laker swap. 24 is the deferrable Laker pick.
This post was edited on 10/10 at 8:49
is the backup for 23 pick swap another pick swap option in 24?
if so my 24 pick swap trade doesn't work.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 9:29 am to CelticDog
There is only one Laker pick swap for us, which is 23.
We still have Bucks pick swaps, though.
We still have Bucks pick swaps, though.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 9:46 am to Terrific Tales
The only untouchable people are
Zion
BI
CJ
I'd probably put Herb, Trey and Jose pretty close to that as well considering their production and what they are paid. We already have our "big 3" so there really isn't some big trade we are looking to make, but if we didn't have CJ, then all 3 of those guys would be on the table without a doubt.
Kira might not even be on the team next year, as in we don't even pick up his option. We have 3 weeks to decide if we want to pick up his option for next year at $5.7M.
It's not like $5.7M is a lot, but when you're close to a tax team, what's the point in paying someone that much when you can get similar if not better production from a minimum contract guy.
Culver #6 and Doumbouya #15 picks didn't have their 4th year exercised. Pretty sure the only reason #14 Romeo Langford had his 4th exercised was to have some salary filler to trade, same with Kevin Knox #9 the year before, and you see that a lot with guys that don't show much but the team gives them that 4th year simply to be trade bait. I do'nt think we really fit that criteria of exercising the extension just as trade filler. We need to reduce salary, so any trade we make is to get rid of salary, not match salaries.
There's 11 guaranteed contracts for next year
CJ $35.8M
BI $33.8M
Zion $33.5M (more than likely going to be $40M after he wrecks the league)
JV $15.4M
DG $12.1M
Nance $10.4M
Dyson $5.8M
Trey $3.4M
Billy $2.6M
Jose $1.8M (although it's non guaranteed)
Herb $1.8M
This is $158.3M with 11 players, and assuming Zion doesn't make an all-nba team. If the cap is $133M like it's projected, the Tax line is $162M. If Zion makes an all NBA team, there's no way we aren't a tax team next year. Whatever pick we make in the 1st round this offseason will likely make around $3M. I would assume at least 2 minimum contracts at $1.8M each.
So that's about $165ish in total salaries projected as is if Zion doesn't make All-NBA, $172ish if he does.
When you look at that, you can see why it makes little sense to keep Kira, and also why it's important Dyson can look promising enough to move DG at some point (If he plays well, i don't think it will be this year). The only reason i could see keeping Kira is if he can replace DG's production, which i don't think he can b/c that's not who he is.
If we were to dump DG, then we are sitting around $153M with 13 players, which basically means you decide if you want to resign Jax for about $6M, or if you find someone else to replace him for a similar amount or minimum contract.
and all that being said, we will be a tax team the following season after Jose and Herb are making a lot more money b/c they are likely going to be signing extensions this coming offseason.
also points out that its important we keep finding cheap depth in the draft/undrafted guys, which is not something we can keep assuming will happen.
Zion
BI
CJ
I'd probably put Herb, Trey and Jose pretty close to that as well considering their production and what they are paid. We already have our "big 3" so there really isn't some big trade we are looking to make, but if we didn't have CJ, then all 3 of those guys would be on the table without a doubt.
Kira might not even be on the team next year, as in we don't even pick up his option. We have 3 weeks to decide if we want to pick up his option for next year at $5.7M.
It's not like $5.7M is a lot, but when you're close to a tax team, what's the point in paying someone that much when you can get similar if not better production from a minimum contract guy.
Culver #6 and Doumbouya #15 picks didn't have their 4th year exercised. Pretty sure the only reason #14 Romeo Langford had his 4th exercised was to have some salary filler to trade, same with Kevin Knox #9 the year before, and you see that a lot with guys that don't show much but the team gives them that 4th year simply to be trade bait. I do'nt think we really fit that criteria of exercising the extension just as trade filler. We need to reduce salary, so any trade we make is to get rid of salary, not match salaries.
There's 11 guaranteed contracts for next year
CJ $35.8M
BI $33.8M
Zion $33.5M (more than likely going to be $40M after he wrecks the league)
JV $15.4M
DG $12.1M
Nance $10.4M
Dyson $5.8M
Trey $3.4M
Billy $2.6M
Jose $1.8M (although it's non guaranteed)
Herb $1.8M
This is $158.3M with 11 players, and assuming Zion doesn't make an all-nba team. If the cap is $133M like it's projected, the Tax line is $162M. If Zion makes an all NBA team, there's no way we aren't a tax team next year. Whatever pick we make in the 1st round this offseason will likely make around $3M. I would assume at least 2 minimum contracts at $1.8M each.
So that's about $165ish in total salaries projected as is if Zion doesn't make All-NBA, $172ish if he does.
When you look at that, you can see why it makes little sense to keep Kira, and also why it's important Dyson can look promising enough to move DG at some point (If he plays well, i don't think it will be this year). The only reason i could see keeping Kira is if he can replace DG's production, which i don't think he can b/c that's not who he is.
If we were to dump DG, then we are sitting around $153M with 13 players, which basically means you decide if you want to resign Jax for about $6M, or if you find someone else to replace him for a similar amount or minimum contract.
and all that being said, we will be a tax team the following season after Jose and Herb are making a lot more money b/c they are likely going to be signing extensions this coming offseason.
also points out that its important we keep finding cheap depth in the draft/undrafted guys, which is not something we can keep assuming will happen.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:18 am to TeddyPadillac
Finding cheap depth shouldn’t be our issue given our scouting and player development.
Our real issue is going to be evaluating how much some people can be paid and figuring out who to trade based on that.
As of now, the most expendable people from a cash perspective are Graham, Kira, Jax, and Temple.
Everyone else is either a key piece or is on such a cost controlled contract there is no reason to move them solely for payroll.
With regards to Kira, I think that picking up a $5m option is effectively preserving an asset to be traded.
If he is kept, he is kept. But if we refuse his option, his trade value is nil and neither is not a trade partner get RFA rights on him.
If he makes a step up and replaces Graham, that works.
Failing that, he and Alvarado overlap too much. We could move him for either a late first or some seconds because he still has potential on an affordable contract.
Our real issue is going to be evaluating how much some people can be paid and figuring out who to trade based on that.
As of now, the most expendable people from a cash perspective are Graham, Kira, Jax, and Temple.
Everyone else is either a key piece or is on such a cost controlled contract there is no reason to move them solely for payroll.
With regards to Kira, I think that picking up a $5m option is effectively preserving an asset to be traded.
If he is kept, he is kept. But if we refuse his option, his trade value is nil and neither is not a trade partner get RFA rights on him.
If he makes a step up and replaces Graham, that works.
Failing that, he and Alvarado overlap too much. We could move him for either a late first or some seconds because he still has potential on an affordable contract.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:52 am to TeddyPadillac
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If Zion makes an all NBA team
Just a clarification, he has to make First Team All-NBA to get the contract boost. Which, is going to be very tough with Giannis, KD, Tatum, LeBron, etc...
If he gets that, we're a top 4 seed.
Agree with the rest of your post and the outlook for Kira and Jax. I don't really see a spot for Kira going forward, unfortunately.
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