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re: Realistic off-season wish list (Draft/FA/Trade)
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:46 pm to irvchilichill1
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:46 pm to irvchilichill1
I am by no means trying to downplay BI. He made the big step in scoring and shooting this year, but we still didn’t win much. I expect him to make another big step this year, and we see the increase in wins as well. After next year, his value should be close to top 10 in the league if that happens.
I almost look at this past year as his 2nd year in the league b/c of the Lebron effect.
And I’ll remind you all that I did a lot of defending BI before the trade, saying he had equal value as Tatum, back when everyone was bitching about the AD trade.
I almost look at this past year as his 2nd year in the league b/c of the Lebron effect.
And I’ll remind you all that I did a lot of defending BI before the trade, saying he had equal value as Tatum, back when everyone was bitching about the AD trade.
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Posted on 9/23/20 at 1:02 pm to TeddyPadillac
Teddy, I understand your logic. I think you know BI and Tatum are equals. Simply comes down to a matter of preference. Tatum has had 2 playoff runs to demonstrate his abilities. Last year with Kyrie... Average. This year with Kemba... Top 10/15 player.
Fully expect BI to show his playoff worth next year.
Fully expect BI to show his playoff worth next year.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 1:19 pm to irvchilichill1
I completely agree. Tatum has just been in a much much much better situation than BI, and why i would think most people would value him more b/c of what he's done, especially in the playoffs. We haven't had the chance to see that from BI yet, but hopefully that changes this year, and i expect it to.
I said it before the trade, and i still think it. Just b/c i said Tatum has more value doesn't mean i think BI isn't as good as him. I'm simply stating how i think others teams look at the two of them right now.
quote:
I think you know BI and Tatum are equals
I said it before the trade, and i still think it. Just b/c i said Tatum has more value doesn't mean i think BI isn't as good as him. I'm simply stating how i think others teams look at the two of them right now.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 1:27 pm to TeddyPadillac
Ingram isn't half the defender Tatum is
Posted on 9/23/20 at 2:31 pm to Pelefraan 1
eh
Ingram can be a good defender. He just can't defend most SF's in the league, b/c BI isn't really a SF. Tatum is an inch taller than BI, and at least 20lbs heavier.
BI is an oversized SG, and that's where he needs to play for us. He'll be much better defending smaller guys b/c he still has the quickness to stay with them, and the length to recover and block shots.
Tatum isn't the passer/creator that BI is, and he doesn't get to the line as much as BI does. BI's passing is one of the things i was most impressed with this year. What i hope is that he continues that and we allow him to have the ball in his hands a lot more as the creator of the offense. Give him the first pick and get a mismatch, and then let him attack the mismatch and create the offense from that, whether he takes the shot or kicks it out to an open man.
Ingram can be a good defender. He just can't defend most SF's in the league, b/c BI isn't really a SF. Tatum is an inch taller than BI, and at least 20lbs heavier.
BI is an oversized SG, and that's where he needs to play for us. He'll be much better defending smaller guys b/c he still has the quickness to stay with them, and the length to recover and block shots.
Tatum isn't the passer/creator that BI is, and he doesn't get to the line as much as BI does. BI's passing is one of the things i was most impressed with this year. What i hope is that he continues that and we allow him to have the ball in his hands a lot more as the creator of the offense. Give him the first pick and get a mismatch, and then let him attack the mismatch and create the offense from that, whether he takes the shot or kicks it out to an open man.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 4:39 pm to TeddyPadillac
Add in that Tatum has already shown better team defending instincts than Ingram has, though BI can improve on that as well. Ingram also has an extremely hard time getting through screens, which worries me with him defending more guards.
I do agree with you still though on wanting to see how he does using his length to guard more 2s. He hasn’t been exactly great guarding 3s, or 4s when the Pels go small, so it’s worth a look.
I do agree with you still though on wanting to see how he does using his length to guard more 2s. He hasn’t been exactly great guarding 3s, or 4s when the Pels go small, so it’s worth a look.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 5:10 pm to TeddyPadillac
Ingram is a better passer/playmaker than Tatum, but Tatum has been pretty good in the bubble making the right pass
Posted on 9/23/20 at 8:49 pm to Pelefraan 1
I would love to move Ingram to the 2. The future is getting more length with versatility to guard EVERY position on the court on switches.
Sign/Draft 2-3 3&D wing players all over 6'7 and 2 more big men to go with Zion, Hayes and Melli.
Sign/Draft 2-3 3&D wing players all over 6'7 and 2 more big men to go with Zion, Hayes and Melli.
Posted on 9/24/20 at 5:00 pm to NOSHAU
There isn't an accurate one for the NBA... No one could have predicting some of the trades last year... PG and Robert Covington got way more value then anyone expected. Ignore any reference to a value chart
Posted on 9/27/20 at 11:36 am to irvchilichill1
Is this realistic at all? The Sixers are desperate to make a splash and want to move one of Harris or Horford. How about if we took both. We trade Holiday, Redick, Miller, Melli for Horford, Harris,pick(s)..
It is a huge commitment and a ton of money. But we should contend right away..
Ball, Ingram, Harris, Zion, Horford
Would both teams go for it? We still have a bunch of picks. But we would be capped out.
It is a huge commitment and a ton of money. But we should contend right away..
Ball, Ingram, Harris, Zion, Horford
Would both teams go for it? We still have a bunch of picks. But we would be capped out.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 11:39 am to brmark70816
quote:
We trade Holiday, Redick, Miller, Melli for Horford, Harris,pick(s)..
Lol. I’m sure the Sixers would do it. And then laughhhhhhhhhhhh
Posted on 9/27/20 at 12:14 pm to Fun Bunch
Are Horford and Harris negative assets now? Would we need more back? I'm not even sure if the money works..
Posted on 9/27/20 at 12:19 pm to brmark70816
They are probably the 2 worst contracts in the NBA dude
Posted on 9/27/20 at 12:27 pm to brmark70816
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Are Horford and Harris negative assets now?
Are you kidding? Yes.
Philly will need to add significant value to either individually. Horford in particular is considered maybe the worst contract in the entire NBA. The amount of value they will need to add to him will be crazy, let alone Harris’s albatross too.
I can’t see any universe they are able to unload both AND get back two positive assets. The Stepien Rule probably precludes the amount of picks they’d need to give to achieve it.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 12:41 pm to Fun Bunch
Ok.
That's a shame. They are both really good players. Put them on lesser teams and they would be primary or secondary options and totally worth the money. I've seen both lift up scrub squads to the playoffs. They would have a huge impact here. I'd love Horford as a mentor to Zion and Hayes.
Somebody is going to get a steal if they can get either..
That's a shame. They are both really good players. Put them on lesser teams and they would be primary or secondary options and totally worth the money. I've seen both lift up scrub squads to the playoffs. They would have a huge impact here. I'd love Horford as a mentor to Zion and Hayes.
Somebody is going to get a steal if they can get either..
Posted on 9/27/20 at 12:49 pm to Fun Bunch
I mean:
Philly:
Jrue
JJ
Miller
S&T Moore
Pels:
Horford
Harris
Thybulle
Zhaire Smith
20 1st
21 1st
22 Swap
23 1st
24 swap
25 1st
26 swap
I could get behind that. Wouldn't be overly excited, but could live with it.
Philly:
Jrue
JJ
Miller
S&T Moore
Pels:
Horford
Harris
Thybulle
Zhaire Smith
20 1st
21 1st
22 Swap
23 1st
24 swap
25 1st
26 swap
I could get behind that. Wouldn't be overly excited, but could live with it.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 12:59 pm to Soggymoss
Yeah, I was fishing, looking for ways to add a good, experienced wing. Harris is considered top 8ish (behind Ingram). I just didn't know if the Sixers are looking to move him. Maybe a lesser package just getting back Harris? Still a ton of money though..
Another player I saw was Doug McDermott. He has one year left on his deal. Warren busted out in the bubble. So maybe the Pacers might be open to move him. He is going to be 29, so a bit older. But he shoots over 40% from 3 and plays a position of need. If we move Redick, we are going to need shooters and we have a big hole behind Ingram. What would it take to get him?
Another player I saw was Doug McDermott. He has one year left on his deal. Warren busted out in the bubble. So maybe the Pacers might be open to move him. He is going to be 29, so a bit older. But he shoots over 40% from 3 and plays a position of need. If we move Redick, we are going to need shooters and we have a big hole behind Ingram. What would it take to get him?
Posted on 9/27/20 at 1:07 pm to brmark70816
Harris is highly overpaid.
Philly maxed him at ~35 mil a year, when his ceiling should have been around 25 at most. He's an ok player if he's your 4th option.
As it stands right now he MAY be a net neutral deal to a team like the Knicks, but Philly will have to give up value in either a player or picks to move him.
As far as Warren, a JJ for Warren swap would be about the value you would be looking to give up. Not many teams are putting stock into bubble performances.
Philly maxed him at ~35 mil a year, when his ceiling should have been around 25 at most. He's an ok player if he's your 4th option.
As it stands right now he MAY be a net neutral deal to a team like the Knicks, but Philly will have to give up value in either a player or picks to move him.
As far as Warren, a JJ for Warren swap would be about the value you would be looking to give up. Not many teams are putting stock into bubble performances.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 2:26 pm to irvchilichill1
Welp, Malik Beasley as a good team’s bench gunner just got really cheap lol
Granted, he may need to get a work release to play.
Granted, he may need to get a work release to play.
Posted on 9/27/20 at 3:06 pm to TeddyPadillac
Difference is that Tatum is not the ball distributor BI is. Griff thinks BI is playing out of position. A move to SG is interesting for a number of reasons. I look for his usage rate to increase.
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