re: Realistic off-season wish list (Draft/FA/Trade)

Posted by brmark70816

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Member since Feb 2011

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Posted on 9/21/20 at 10:08 am to Fun Bunch

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No. I just know for a fact that you’re a troll. Why people still humor you’re craziness is beyond me.

I don't know why you make this personal or have such a hard on for this narrative that I'm a troll, whatever that is supposed to mean. But it doesn't bother me. Follow me tread to tread, downvote everything I say, keep trying to get me kicked off, I see all of it and I just don't care. But I will make sure to avoid replying to you or any of your topics in the future. Hopefully that will satisfy you. I wish you the best..

Posted by Dantheman504

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Posted on 9/21/20 at 10:13 am to brmark70816

That was a weak breakup

Posted by RUFshreve

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Posted on 9/21/20 at 9:18 pm to brmark70816

People aren't taking you seriously because you are trying to push this narrative that Ingram and Wiggins have the same value around the league. They clearly don't and numerous people have pointed out why.

One guy has positive value, one has negative value. It's easy to understand why. It's not a homer thing, it's just common sense.

Don't believe me? Go on any NBA forum and ask them which player they would rather their team trade for. Or better yet, go to a Warriors forum and ask if they would trade Wiggins straight up for Ingram. I'll bet you anything that 100% say yes.

This is a simple way of discovering if the perceived value of Ingram and Wiggins are equal.

Posted by brmark70816

Atlanta, GA

Member since Feb 2011

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Posted on 9/21/20 at 10:45 pm to RUFshreve

I never said anything like that. I asked if we could get the same value or more trading Ingram as trading Holiday. The return was Wiggins, #2 and a future 1st, plus other pieces. IMO I believe that Wiggins has similar talent and potential, plus will be slightly cheaper. I do not have anything against Ingram. He is a fine player. But things happen during negotiations and I was just curious about options, if things go sour.

Honesty I think the whole topic is pretty moot at this point. The Warriors are not trading Wiggins and probably will just draft at 2, although they may slide back some. They have a large trade exception to help bolster their perimeter defense (James Johnson?). The big hole they have is at Center. But there will be guys that will join up to ring chase with them for the minimum (Gasol?). Most people, I have read, just don't think they make a dramatic move now and Wiggins fills a huge need for them, especially with Thompson needing help on the wing..

Posted by Bronc

Member since Sep 2018

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Posted on 9/22/20 at 12:16 am to brmark70816

Wiggins is nowhere near the player and has demonstrated that despite all his raw athleticism is not the potential player Ingram is.

Wiggins is the definition of empty stats. 6 seasons in the league and has barely progressed. Clearly suffers with drive and motivation(former teammates imply as much). Contrast that with the three year younger Ingram who just finished up demonstrating growth that was on historic levels. Winning MIP and a very well deserved all star appearance in the process.

Ingram has legit top 10 player in the league potential, Wiggins will be groomed to be the next Harrison Barnes for the Warriors. A glue guy that can hopefully be a solid 3rd, or more likely, 4th option behind whoever they pick at 2 or trade that pick for. No team in the league is building a core around Wiggins, plenty of teams would likely be happy to do so with Ingram right now. That says everything about where their respective values are.

Posted by NOSHAU

Member since Feb 2012

11894 posts

Posted on 9/22/20 at 11:29 am to brmark70816

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I never said anything like that. I asked if we could get the same value or more trading Ingram as trading Holiday. The return was Wiggins, #2 and a future 1st, plus other pieces. IMO I believe that Wiggins has similar talent and potential, plus will be slightly cheaper. I do not have anything against Ingram. He is a fine player. But things happen during negotiations and I was just curious about options, if things go sour.

How is Wiggins cheaper? Certainly not on an annual basis. Also, he is older and not nearly as good as BI, so were is the potential to be as good?

Posted by irvchilichill1

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Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:09 pm to NOSHAU

Anybody thinking we should trade Ingram is not thinking clearly. For years, the Pels needed a SF/wing player of his caliber. We finally get one and people want to trade him for.... Wiggins.. Asinine. Lets trade an All Star for a unmotivated player who amasses empty stats on bad teams. Wiggins has talent but he's in the same vein as Harrison Barnes, solid player but wont make a team a true contender as a main cog.

Zion and BI are untouchable as far as Im concerned. Ingram is the truth. He is our closer and will further develop in that role next year. Not many closers in the game. Cant trade a closer when you have one.

This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 8:11 pm

Posted by Soggymoss

Member since Aug 2018

14271 posts

Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:12 pm to irvchilichill1

I wouldn't go as far as untouchable, but as damn close as you can come to it.

I'm talking to get BI I would want more than what LAC gave up for George.

Posted by saintsfan22

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Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:19 pm to Soggymoss

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I'm talking to get BI I would want more than what LAC gave up for George.

Well that's as crazy as the other guy saying Ingram and Wiggins are close. George disappears in the playoffs so he's got some stink right now but when the Clips traded for him he was coming off a year when he was 3rd in MVP voting.

This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 8:22 pm

Posted by irvchilichill1

Lafayette

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Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:36 pm to Soggymoss

The goal should be adding complimentary pieces to those two players, not trading 1 just bc he has "high value."
He is worth a max and wants to be great. He loves N.O. and I dont see him bailing if we demonstrate a commitment to competing for championships.

We are 2-3 pieces away from being serious contenders. Hopefully the draft nets us 1 of those pieces whether a potential starter or a great bench piece.
How far do yall really believe we are away from Denver and Miami?? Not much and they are conference championship finalists.
Figure out what to do with Jrue and move forward with selecting a quality; big wing. Sign a defensive minded, lenghty 4/5 who can hit a few jumpers and rebound. That should be the offseason plan besides getting a coach who can motivate and coach up both sides of the ball. Tired of coaches who are known for only 1 side of the ball.

Posted by irvchilichill1

Lafayette

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Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:40 pm to irvchilichill1

Oh and free DIDI. I believe he will be a surprisingly quality player who commands minutes the minute he suits up for the Pels. Hart, Reddick, Didi are good bench players. Just gotta add some length and defense.
Hell Im not oppose to seeing if Ingram can play 2 guard. The advantage he would have would be scary.

Posted by Soggymoss

Member since Aug 2018

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Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:52 pm to saintsfan22

Reading comprehension...

I said to trade BI I would want MORE than what LAC gave up to get George.

It would take 2 starters, one with all star potential, and at minimum 8 unprotected 1st round picks.

If someone comes along and offers that then I may think about moving him.

Posted by saintsfan22

baton rouge

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Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:56 pm to Soggymoss

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I said to trade BI I would want MORE than what LAC gave up to get George.

It would take 2 starters, one with all star potential, and at minimum 8 unprotected 1st round picks.

And I said thats crazy.

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If someone comes along and offers that then I may think about moving him.

Miami offers Bam/Herro/1 1st for Ingram. You turning that down?

This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 9:00 pm

Posted by Soggymoss

Member since Aug 2018

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Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:00 pm to saintsfan22

If someone wants him thats the price. It maybe crazy, but he also is a 22 year old top 5 SF in the NBA with all world potential.

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Miami offers Bam/Herro/1 1st for Ingram. You turning that down?

I'm laughing at them for thinking that's enough as I turn it down. Add Duncan and 3 more firsts, then we can talk.

This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 9:08 pm

Posted by Fun Bunch

New Orleans

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Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:02 pm to saintsfan22

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Miami offers Bam/Herro/1 1st for Ingram. You turning that down?

Yup

Posted by saintsfan22

baton rouge

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Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:20 pm to Soggymoss

I'm trying to see how crazy this can get:
SGA, CP3(somehow they eat half his contract for one year), three 1sts?
Ja, JJJ, Clarke, two 1sts?
Booker and Ayton two 1st?
Jaylen Brown and Kemba three 1sts?
Lillard and McCollum?
Ben Simmons straight up?
Jokic?

Posted by Soggymoss

Member since Aug 2018

14271 posts

Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:34 pm to saintsfan22

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SGA, CP3(somehow they eat half his contract for one year), three 1sts?

Not enough

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Ja, JJJ, Clarke, two 1sts?

Much better

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Booker and Ayton two 1st?

Decent

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Jaylen Brown and Kemba three 1sts?

Nope

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Lillard and McCollum?

Keep CJ, throw in some 1sts instead

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Ben Simmons straight up?
Jokic?

Ask yourself, if you have 22 year old Kevin Durant, what kind of package would it take for you to trade him in today's NBA? Keep in mind, you're not looking to trade him, a team is coming along and wants him.

This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 9:38 pm

Posted by saintsfan22

baton rouge

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Posted on 9/22/20 at 9:38 pm to Soggymoss

I hope you're laughing at Jokic for Ingram because of how ridiculous the thought of them offering him for Ingram is.