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Reading other teams' forums re Ingram and nobody wants him except the Kings
Posted on 7/5/24 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 7/5/24 at 8:02 pm
It's interesting that other teams' fans pretty much say the same stuff we do. Ball dominant, hasn't improved, not a good fit, wants too much money, etc.
The only fanbase that really seems to want him is the Kings. Hawks, Spurs, Cavs, Lakers, Jazz are all like no thanks.
The only fanbase that really seems to want him is the Kings. Hawks, Spurs, Cavs, Lakers, Jazz are all like no thanks.
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Posted on 7/5/24 at 8:05 pm to ghost2most
His value definitely took a big hit this season. Most people don't watch many Pelicans games so they may have only seen that piss poor playoff performance too
Posted on 7/5/24 at 8:06 pm to ghost2most
All those teams could use him. Its more of a money/assets fit.
Maybe this will light a fire under his arse; make him realize he aint hot shite like he thinks he is. But more likely he will just light another blunt.
Maybe this will light a fire under his arse; make him realize he aint hot shite like he thinks he is. But more likely he will just light another blunt.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 8:41 pm to ghost2most
Warren Buffett says the thing he tries to do is sell when others want to buy, and buy when others want to sell.
We know BI is a very good player, his contract will be what it will be, but there is no doubt he is a good player.
Maybe teams value other players more, IMO we have 3 potential starters at SF on the roster with BI being the most proven.
As much as I like them all, I might be inclined to swap things up if someone significantly values one of the other guys more, and use that leverage to round out whatever is needed in other places (players, picks, salary cap…it all matters).
Not saying that’s what Griff does but the reality is everything should be on the table and evaluated. If it’s BI, ok, but if the team gets better with another mix then that works too.
The reality is the Pels have an excess of good players at one position, and anyone acting like any of them are negative assets is just working an angle.
We know BI is a very good player, his contract will be what it will be, but there is no doubt he is a good player.
Maybe teams value other players more, IMO we have 3 potential starters at SF on the roster with BI being the most proven.
As much as I like them all, I might be inclined to swap things up if someone significantly values one of the other guys more, and use that leverage to round out whatever is needed in other places (players, picks, salary cap…it all matters).
Not saying that’s what Griff does but the reality is everything should be on the table and evaluated. If it’s BI, ok, but if the team gets better with another mix then that works too.
The reality is the Pels have an excess of good players at one position, and anyone acting like any of them are negative assets is just working an angle.
This post was edited on 7/5/24 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 7/5/24 at 8:54 pm to ghost2most
Take a couple picks and wash your hands of him or send him to your bench and let him run with the second unit. If he doesn’t want to come off the bench let him find a partner or let him pout.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 9:09 pm to BamaPelican
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The reality is the Pels have an excess of good players at one position, and anyone acting like any of them are negative assets is just working an angle.
It's really something. For years we struggled to find a competent wing, starter or backup. Last year we had 4 who could play for most teams...
It would not come to a surprise if suddenly you told me we moved murphy & landed Kessler. Shuffle picks whatever way you want to. And then slightly below max for Ingram. As much as I like him, there's a fear of him being capped of a player (like cam Johnson) showed when he was given more reign.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 10:36 pm to ghost2most
Good thing the fan base for these teams are also the GM’s
Posted on 7/5/24 at 10:50 pm to BamaPelican
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his contract will be what it will be
It will be full blown aids for whichever team contracts him.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 11:42 pm to ghost2most
I hope we keep him at a discounted price.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 5:41 am to geauxpurple
If other teams offers are truly shite and we don’t trade him, Griff needs to go ahead and offer Ingram a 1+1 or 2+1 extension with 8% raises from his current salary as the max offer we give. That would put him at
24-25: $36,016,200
25-26: $38,897,496
26-27: $42,009,295
27-28: $45,370,039 (PO)
That gives him a 3 year 126 extension, which is pretty close to what Mitchell got. It gives him time to rehab his value, and puts him on a longer term deal that will be more attractive for other teams to trade for as it would be below 25% of the cap moving forward. Also gets him past 10 years where his next contract could be a 35% supermax if a team wants to pay him that much. Kind of a win win for both teams
24-25: $36,016,200
25-26: $38,897,496
26-27: $42,009,295
27-28: $45,370,039 (PO)
That gives him a 3 year 126 extension, which is pretty close to what Mitchell got. It gives him time to rehab his value, and puts him on a longer term deal that will be more attractive for other teams to trade for as it would be below 25% of the cap moving forward. Also gets him past 10 years where his next contract could be a 35% supermax if a team wants to pay him that much. Kind of a win win for both teams
Posted on 7/6/24 at 6:56 am to Soggymoss
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If other teams offers are truly shite and we don’t trade him, Griff needs to go ahead and offer Ingram a 1+1 or 2+1 extension with 8% raises from his current salary as the max offer we give. That would put him at 24-25: $36,016,200 25-26: $38,897,496 26-27: $42,009,295 27-28: $45,370,039 (PO) That gives him a 3 year 126 extension, which is pretty close to what Mitchell got. It gives him time to rehab his value, and puts him on a longer term deal that will be more attractive for other teams to trade for as it would be below 25% of the cap moving forward. Also gets him past 10 years where his next contract could be a 35% supermax if a team wants to pay him that much. Kind of a win win for both teams
I’d rather let him walk over cash strapping us to him for another few years if no team will give an ounce for him
Posted on 7/6/24 at 7:05 am to TriggaTrey
As long as he’s under 25% of the cap I don’t see us having an issue trading him. Alot of the problem right now is teams know he wants a full max deal which would have his salary looking like:
25-26: $46,530,000
26-27: $50,252,400
27-28: $54,272,592
Those numbers are what’s scaring teams away, but if you can get him for about 10 million less a year I think every team in the league would become far more interested in him.
Letting him walk would be a disaster, we have to at least get some assets for him.
25-26: $46,530,000
26-27: $50,252,400
27-28: $54,272,592
Those numbers are what’s scaring teams away, but if you can get him for about 10 million less a year I think every team in the league would become far more interested in him.
Letting him walk would be a disaster, we have to at least get some assets for him.
This post was edited on 7/6/24 at 7:06 am
Posted on 7/6/24 at 7:48 am to ghost2most
I don't care what fans think. They'd immediately pivot to saying it was a good trade.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 7:55 am to LouisianaJoseph
I just think this had shattered the myth that BI is some coveted asset considering his price.
Nobody sends to be that interested
Nobody sends to be that interested
Posted on 7/6/24 at 8:09 am to ghost2most
We’re definitely a season to late trying to trade him. Griff should have taken pick 2 last year and ran with it when it was offered.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 8:16 am to Soggymoss
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Griff should have taken pick 2 last year and ran with it when it was offered.
As poorly as Scoot played? He's at least a full tier less than the Scoot fans thought he'd be. I'm just not sure that grass is greener.
Also, the pressure to maximize the return on BI is much less now. Griff talked Atlanta in to trading the Pels a quarter for 3 dimes. It doesn't matter if you get 2 dimes back or 5 dimes back for BI. Obviously you want as many as you can get, but dimes tend to be rather inconsequential and fade fast. Based on the market, there is no winning the BI trade at this point, only moving forward.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 8:25 am to TriggaTrey
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I’d rather let him walk
You can't let an asset like BI walk.
Even if he's seen to be worth less than his actual value, he's still got value.
Usually you also couldn't afford to lose the salary, but Trey's new deal will make up a lot of that loss.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 8:29 am to SlowFlowPro
But he doesn't have value. At his salary expectation, he's a negative asset imo. He's a lot closer to Lavine than his fans want to admit
Posted on 7/6/24 at 11:49 am to TigerinATL
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Griff should have taken pick 2 last year and ran with it when it was offered. As poorly as Scoot played? He's at least a full tier less than the Scoot fans thought he'd be. I'm just not sure that grass is greener.
I wonder if we would have picked Miller at 2.
Miller is looking like a really nice piece at this point and would fit really well on this team. His 3 point shooting as a rookie was reminiscent of 2019-2021 Brandon Ingram.
Posted on 7/6/24 at 12:01 pm to ned nederlander
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I wonder if we would have picked Miller at 2. Miller is looking like a really nice piece at this point and would fit really well on this team. His 3 point shooting as a rookie was reminiscent of 2019-2021 Brandon Ingram.
We were targeting Scoot. We literally worked out Scoot the day before he was drafted. Be thankful that was a deal that didn’t go through.
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