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re: Queen is trash
Posted on 11/6/25 at 10:12 am to Dantheman504
Posted on 11/6/25 at 10:12 am to Dantheman504
I hope he's great. And it's a nice start. Hope it only gets better and better.
But this thread is ridiculous. This start in no way proves that it was a good trade, it's yet to be seen seeing as we are only 8 effing games into the season, and it certainly hasn't proven to be brilliant.
And seeing as you pumped up Zion, Trey, and Poole as all three possibly making the all star game and the Lakers not being as good as us and us almost being as good as Denver all the while calling everyone who didn't agree with you a fricking retard all offseason I'll go ahead and not ever give two shits about any thing you say from here on out.
But this thread is ridiculous. This start in no way proves that it was a good trade, it's yet to be seen seeing as we are only 8 effing games into the season, and it certainly hasn't proven to be brilliant.
And seeing as you pumped up Zion, Trey, and Poole as all three possibly making the all star game and the Lakers not being as good as us and us almost being as good as Denver all the while calling everyone who didn't agree with you a fricking retard all offseason I'll go ahead and not ever give two shits about any thing you say from here on out.
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Posted on 11/6/25 at 10:12 am to BGpels
People don’t seem to get that a 1st round pick is just a placeholder for a name that will eventually have to be turned in. That pick could be a Reed Sheppard. Hitting on 2 rookies with the upside of Fears and Queen could save the team. Compared to waiting til 2026 hoping to get a high lottery pick and hitting on that name. Honestly, Dumars has already done the hard part - draft 2 quality NBA starters with very high upside. Now we just have to develop and build around them and trade Zion for future 1sts or a good young assets.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 10:22 am to iwyLSUiwy
quote:To be fair, its just as ridiculous to say its a bad trade. I think that's the main point. Both sides can be ridiculous but one is ridiculously pessimistic and one is ridiculously optimistic so which really looks worse?
But this thread is ridiculous. This start in no way proves that it was a good trade, it's yet to be seen seeing as we are only 8 effing games into the season,
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effing
This is a family board, no need for this kind of language.
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And seeing as you pumped up Zion, Trey, and Poole as all three possibly making the all star game and the Lakers not being as good as us and us almost being as good as Denver all the while calling everyone who didn't agree with you a fricking retard all offseason I'll go ahead and not ever give two shits about any thing you say from here on out.
That's just rude bro. And also not the reason I called anyone a retard. Plenty of reasons, but that's not one of them..
Any 1 of Z/ Poole/ Trey did have a chance and maybe still has a chance to be an all star. But yes its been underwhelming and disappointing so far. That's why I'm cool with juet moving Z. shite I'm kinda down to rebuild with Fears/ Queen (hint the Kon trade).
I still think we are a better built team than the Lakers. My comments about Denver were before they traded for Cam J who I have been wanting for 2 years. So yes Denver is for sure better.
This post was edited on 11/6/25 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 11/6/25 at 10:29 am to BGpels
For sure a lot of the best players in the league were not taken at the top of the draft. You mention a few, but could add Booker, Mitchell, Sengun. Hell, even Steph was outside the top 5.
That said statistically you are going to do better drafting at the top and giving two potential lottery picks--which now look like high lottery picks--for one prospect is a "put it all on red" kind of move, a huge gamble. And Queen was probably my favorite player in the draft. I've been wishing for the Pels to get a Sabonis, Sengun, Jokic-type of center for years, a guy who could be a hub for the offense, pass, handle the ball, screen rebound. It's early days, but Queen looks exactly like that kind of big.
The basketball commentariat is full of smart guy, wanna be GMs who talk to analytics-obsessed front office juniors. To them Dumars is a dinosaur, an ancient meme on a desk phone, and Weaver is a dupe who overpays for players based on hunches and personal connections. They were laughing the minute those guys were hired and when they crossed the stat-geek orthodoxy about the holy valuation of future draft possibilities, their heads exploded.
The stat squeakers could be right in the end. Certainly the Pels valuation of those picks as a pair of mid-rounders already looks to be off, in part due to bad luck an in part to a failure in foresight. But the evaluations of Fears and Queen--both of whom easily could have been top-five picks in the '26 draft if they'd stayed in college--looks right. Do I wish Weaver had put some protections on that pick? I do. And he probably could have and still made the trade. But if Queen works out, if those picks shift down the board a bit, a lot of the geek squad is going to have to choke down some crow...
That said statistically you are going to do better drafting at the top and giving two potential lottery picks--which now look like high lottery picks--for one prospect is a "put it all on red" kind of move, a huge gamble. And Queen was probably my favorite player in the draft. I've been wishing for the Pels to get a Sabonis, Sengun, Jokic-type of center for years, a guy who could be a hub for the offense, pass, handle the ball, screen rebound. It's early days, but Queen looks exactly like that kind of big.
The basketball commentariat is full of smart guy, wanna be GMs who talk to analytics-obsessed front office juniors. To them Dumars is a dinosaur, an ancient meme on a desk phone, and Weaver is a dupe who overpays for players based on hunches and personal connections. They were laughing the minute those guys were hired and when they crossed the stat-geek orthodoxy about the holy valuation of future draft possibilities, their heads exploded.
The stat squeakers could be right in the end. Certainly the Pels valuation of those picks as a pair of mid-rounders already looks to be off, in part due to bad luck an in part to a failure in foresight. But the evaluations of Fears and Queen--both of whom easily could have been top-five picks in the '26 draft if they'd stayed in college--looks right. Do I wish Weaver had put some protections on that pick? I do. And he probably could have and still made the trade. But if Queen works out, if those picks shift down the board a bit, a lot of the geek squad is going to have to choke down some crow...
Posted on 11/6/25 at 10:31 am to spaghettioeauxs
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Now we just have to develop and build around them and trade Zion for future 1sts or a good young assets.
Trade Z and end up with Kon + 26' and I don't even care about what else if anything.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 10:35 am to spaghettioeauxs
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Dumars has already done the hard part - draft 2 quality NBA starters with very high upside.
We don't know this yet, but it is a great start for these 2 kids. If Queen keeps developing it would make all the "trade an unprotected pick" talk moot.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 11:16 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:That would be multiple seasons in a row now this happened.
Did the super secret skinny Zion justification being bunk, destroying your offseason silliness, break your brain?
Posted on 11/6/25 at 11:17 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:ZION REVENGE SEASON!!!
He's just coping with being so wrong promoting that this team would be good
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:11 pm to BilJ
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I too remember when rooks like Hawkins, NAW, Hayes, etc had good stretches of play and people quickly thought they were un trade able assets.
I’m 99% sure it’s GOP that argued for pages on Hayes potential being Giannis 2.0 because he only started playing basketball late into HS. He had a few slightly “promising” games in meaningless games at the end of the season. I should dig those posts up.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:11 pm to brmark70816
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we stole them both..
Queen may have been a steal where he was picked, but he has to prove he's worth close to what we gave up for him
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:19 pm to theducks
Posted on 11/6/25 at 12:40 pm to theducks
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GOP that argued for pages on Hayes potential being Giannis
Hayes absolutely had the potential to be another Giannis. That's why he was drafted so high despite playing so little basketball.
The tragedy of Jaxson Hayes is that he never took basketball seriously and worked on his game.
But yeah, his athletic ability was worthy of being picked even higher than he was. His natural athleticism was as good as it gets. But obviously, none of us knew back then that he was as lazy as it gets.
Why is this a topic now?
EDIT: I've had plenty of bad takes on this board. That I don't deny (though saying that Hayes had unlimited potential wasn't one of them).
And I never even said that the Queen trade was good—what I said is that it looks brilliant right now, to anyone who actually watched him play in the last two games. I don't know that the Queen trade will be a good one, and I don't pretend to know.
But one thing that I will never do is pretend to be a fan of a team and then jump all over the nuts of the national talking heads who hate New Orleans and Louisiana. Idiots on podcasts can talk trash about king cake and posters here can't wait to agree with them that our new players are worthless. That's what this thread is about.
This post was edited on 11/6/25 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 11/6/25 at 1:10 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:Jaxson Hayes brought a large quantity of mushrooms into the bubble lol. He would much rather smoke weed, take acid and mushrooms, and get fricked up than work on developing an outside game.
The tragedy of Jaxson Hayes is that he never took basketball seriously and worked on his game.
A guy like that was never going to succeed.
ETA: The fall of 2019 is maybe the happiest I've ever been as a Louisiana sports fan
LSU football rolling, LSU basketball filled with 5 stars, Saints were 13-3 and Drew was throwing for 370+ in his first game back after injury, Pels had the best future in the NBA and didn't really care about the temproary losing streak because we had the face of the franchise waiting in the wings. What a fricking nightmare since lol
This post was edited on 11/6/25 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 11/6/25 at 1:31 pm to GOP_Tiger
The entire problem is you could have Queen AND what will probably be top 10 pick….
Posted on 11/6/25 at 1:35 pm to GOP_Tiger
Turns out Queen is not trash and Fears is pretty good Can get behind that if only we can get a good player and picks in 26' draft. hmmmmm ....
Can get behind that if only we can get a good player and picks in 26' draft. hmmmmm ....
Posted on 11/6/25 at 1:54 pm to GOP_Tiger
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trashing a trade that looks like it was brilliant.
It does not look brilliant
Posted on 11/6/25 at 1:55 pm to Pistol44
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Turns out Queen is not trash
Did people really make this argument? Link?
Making a bad trade didn't require Queen to be bad
Posted on 11/6/25 at 2:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
SFP, everyone in here knows that you didn't watch the last two games. I doubt you even watched the highlights. You can quit posing as a Pels fan.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 2:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
Most trades are not Danny Ainge Fantasy's and because Pels were going to be mid in any state, a gamble makes since if you can start building a foundation. A bunch of Queen and Fears "woe is us" on the board until the last week and a half. If Pels can get a pick, vet, and development prospect for what Pels aren't building around, it could still be a good for the Pels as a franchise.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 2:54 pm to Dantheman504
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Both sides can be ridiculous but one is ridiculously pessimistic and one is ridiculously optimistic so which really looks worse?
Find me one respected NBA media type that praised Dumars and the trade.
I can find you 20 with one Google search excoriating the move and rightfully so.
Does is sting a little less given Queen’s early success? Yes, but Gayle is still a horrendous owner.
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