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re: Players that we could potentially trade Ingram for straight-up
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:04 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:04 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:this. You have to trade CJ as well.
This, would never happen. CJ is not going to come of the bench.
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:07 am to duyp
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I think Mikal Bridges is also attainable now
He’s not, Brooklyn has already made it well known they are looking to trade for someone to pair with him this offseason
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:07 am to shel311
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If you don't think or realize how many easy looks Zion would get from Trae passes, then you're either just not aware of Trae's offensive game or not even trying to have a rational discussion.
I never took you for a Trae-stan.
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I feel like you've missed a change in Trae's game this season.
The change that's requiring a massive overhaul in response and a shitty season W/L-wise. His time with Murray has shown he can't play off ball and he can't win with other ballhandlers b/c of his desire to dominate the ball. It just doesn't work.
If it worked, they wouldn't be blowing it up.
Why is ATL blowing it up?
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We have a MUCH better core than the team Trae dragged to the conference finals too
The definition of outlier.
What have they done playoff-wise since?
This is their history with Trae
2023: 7th seed (1st round exit)
2022: 8th seed (1st round exit)
2021: ECF
2020: 14/15 teams in the East
2019: 12/15 teams in the East
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He's not a #1. He would be coming here to be a #2.
He demands to be allowed to play like a #1. Hell not even a #1, an elite #1.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:08 am to shel311
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Probably, but that would be just another dumb argument
Only if you think Trae is a wining player at point guard, which history has shown to not be true
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:08 am to 50_Tiger
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Not trying to be combative but just curious your thought is that Clev would be okay with waiting 3 years on a trade return?
If they were getting trash players in return, no they wouldn’t.
Getting two starters in return along with all those picks, yea they would be
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:09 am to Macintosh504
quote:Agreed
You’re not getting a bonafide superstar player for BI. It’s gonna be some high level all star capable players with red flags like Trae or KAT. I’d take a chance with either. I’d be okay with trading BI for Mobley but then you lose offensive creation and need to replace that elsewhere.
I'd prefer a Bam or or Mobley but would settle for a KAT or Trey. We have to take a swing, but we probably won't.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:09 am to TeddyPadillac
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This, would never happen. CJ is not going to come of the bench.
Why not?
CJ is the one player that has shown a willingness to change up his game and do what the team needs him to do in order to win, and that won’t change next season either
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:11 am to Soggymoss
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If they were getting trash players in return, no they wouldn’t.
Getting two starters in return along with all those picks, yea they would be
Okay fair enough
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:11 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I'm not, but you've said a lot of flatly incorrect stuff here.
I never took you for a Trae-stan.
quote:Because Trae isn't a #1, and you can't just magically add a #1.
Why is ATL blowing it up?
quote:See his declining usage rate that is barely above Zion's on a team where he's clearly going to be asked to do more than he would on this team.
He demands to be allowed to play like a #1. Hell not even a #1, an elite #1.
If he were on this team, Zion would have a higher usage rate than him over the course of a season.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:12 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:As a #1
Only if you think Trae is a wining player at point guard, which history has shown to not be true
He's shown more as a #1 than Zion has, do you think we should trade Zion and try to find a true #1?
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:14 am to SlowFlowPro
I agree with SFP here. As someone who lives in ATL, Trae would be a disaster with the Pels. He will not defer, and honestly we just need shooters around Zion. Shooters, a big man and good defense. This team needs to be able to push the ball, and when they get into a half court set, drive and pass to open shooters. Lebron did that all night last night and you had guys like Reaves and Russell killing us from three.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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How is Trae Young hogging the ball and being a ball stopper the perfect fit for Zion?
Yeah I don't see how anyone could want Trae Young after watching how iso ball with BI screws up the offensive flow.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:20 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:this. Might as well get Cam Thomas if you just want someone to chunk up shots with no defense
Why do y'all want Trae Young? It makes no sense.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:24 am to Boss
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and honestly we just need shooters around Zion. Shooters, a big man and good defense.
Give me an example of a championship winning team that looks like that.
Every championship team has two guys who can hit shots in the clutch. Who's your clear #2 of just shooters, a guy you can give the ball to with 8 seconds left and expect him to get a good shot off, off the dribble by himself?
You think Giannis takes every shot down the stretch of games? What about Jokic? Trey is not Jamal Murray, or Middleton.
You can't trade BI and not get a clutch player back.
The upgrade we need is in the clutch.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:25 am to BowDownToLSU
quote:Aaaand we've reached peak Pels Talk early today.
this. Might as well get Cam Thomas if you just want someone to chunk up shots with no defense
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:42 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:Just curious, what's your definition of clutch?
You can't trade BI and not get a clutch player back.
The upgrade we need is in the clutch.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:56 am to TeddyPadillac
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You can't trade BI and not get a clutch player back. The upgrade we need is in the clutch.
We started winning clutch games when BI was hurt and there was a clear hierarchy of who the ball was going to. We don’t need another clutch player, we just need a guy who doesn’t demand the ball and is OK being a number two. Specifically one who shoots 3s primarily and fits in with Zion.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:00 am to Balsamic_duck
The problem is that our pf and c in that lineup are both 6ft 8. Not going to work.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:05 am to shel311
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See his declining usage rate
This is exactly why he's being traded. It doesn't work.
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Zion would have a higher usage rate than him over the course of a season.
And he would be unhappy and a malcontent about it.
LINK
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Starting with the locker room, it's no secret there's a serious disconnect between Young, the team's star player, and many -- though some say nearly all -- of his teammates. He is not beloved, sources say, and there's a strong view that Young fails to lead, to understand or care to understand what is required of him, and that as a result the team will never achieve what it should until that reality is fixed.
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Or, a bit more harsh, as one GM put it: "You can't win with him."
This is where Snyder comes in with a handful of helpful strengths.
He has a reputation for building strong relationships with his players. He's seen as someone who can bring out the best in young talent. His time with the Jazz, particularly the issues between Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert, gave him plenty of experience navigating players' strained relationships. Snyder is credited with developing strong cultures, also particularly important in Atlanta, where the team's vibe has been described by various sources as "broken," "ugly" and "total s---."
This was a year ago hoping Snyder could work things out.
How did that work out?
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:06 am to shel311
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He's shown more as a #1 than Zion has
Only due to injury and one outlier postseason run.
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