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Posted on 6/25/25 at 9:15 pm to Fun Bunch
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No no matter what Queen does it’s a bad trade.
You gave up an unprotected pick, when you just picked 7…to move 10 spots.
The trade is what it is. Queen becoming whatever he becomes is irrelevant to that notion.
If Queen becomes an all-star, it was a bad idea to trade up for him? I really don't follow that logic.
Draft picks have value for the players you can get with them. The draft always has surprises and busts. If we had traded an unprotected future pick to move up to pick Halliburton instead of staying pat and taking Kira, that would have turned out to be a great trade.
Everyone agrees that this is a bad trade on paper. But it isn't a trade on paper. It's a trade for a player, Derik Queen. So, whether the trade was good or not depends 100% on the kind of player that Queen turns out to be.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 9:16 pm to J_Hingle
It’s also the fact that BOTH the pels and bucks can be very bad next year. They only need one to be bad
Posted on 6/25/25 at 9:18 pm to Macintosh
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It’s also the fact that BOTH the pels and bucks can be very bad next year. They only need one to be bad
No worries, they have the other pick that was given to them in the Murray trade.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 9:18 pm to nicholastiger
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When does Zion end up on injury report
I heard he’s already sore from being fat and thrusting too hard while banging instagram child support seekers
He won’t be healthy until he plays for a different team in the near future
Posted on 6/25/25 at 9:18 pm to GOP_Tiger
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If Queen becomes an all-star, it was a bad idea to trade up for him? I really don't follow that logic.
Yes i know you don’t follow.
The played is irrelevant to the TRADE ITSELF. the value you gave to move for the number pick you acquire.
That’s it. The player is a separate issue.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 9:18 pm to GOP_Tiger
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If Queen becomes an all-star, it was a bad idea to trade up for him? I really don't follow that logic.
It's basic decision-making. You judge the move in the present.
Judging the move from the future is just begging for some hindsight bias.
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Draft picks have value for the players you can get with them. The draft always has surprises and busts. If we had traded an unprotected future pick to move up to pick Halliburton instead of staying pat and taking Kira, that would have turned out to be a great trade.
In poker, going all-in for 5x pot on the turn when you have a 2-outer can work if that 5% hits on the river, but does that make it a good decision in hindsight if you find yourself on the good side of that variance? Or was it always a bad decision with a small chance of working out (without the expected value to justify the risk)?
Posted on 6/25/25 at 9:18 pm to Geauxgurt
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Fears is an utter crapshoot and more likely to busy then even be serviceable. Just because one person says he reminds them of Kyrie doesn’t mean he will be anything close to that.
I get bagging on the trade but I’ll never understand this kind of logic. Talking shite about the player we took at 7 and saying he will bust is one thing - it’s another thing entirely to say this and then bitch about losing a pick in next year’s draft when we could be selecting from a similar position and just as easily bust on that player too.
It’s fricking nonsense.
This post was edited on 6/25/25 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 6/25/25 at 9:18 pm to GOP_Tiger
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If Queen becomes an all-star, it was a bad idea to trade up for him
Considering what we gave up, yes
Posted on 6/25/25 at 9:21 pm to Fun Bunch
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The played is irrelevant to the TRADE ITSELF. the value you gave to move for the number pick you acquire.
Okay, so here is my question… if this individual becomes an all star in the next few years and you return to argue this bad value trade…
What do you think the responses will be? My prediction, you’ll get a laughably large amount of downvotes and ridicule.
That said, if he is a lemon… you were right congrats
Posted on 6/25/25 at 9:22 pm to Soggymoss
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Considering what we gave up, yes
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Posted on 6/25/25 at 9:22 pm to Fun Bunch
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The played is irrelevant to the TRADE ITSELF. the value you gave to move for the number pick you acquire.
That’s it. The player is a separate issue.
No it isn't. If queen is a hit we'll all feel silly.
Yall have all been way too wrapped up in value in the biggest crapshoot draft of any major sport.
Flagg can be a bust, Bailey, edgecomb, etc. None are surefire.
Zion was a surefire thing remember?
Posted on 6/25/25 at 9:23 pm to RIPMachoMan
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Okay, so here is my question… if this individual becomes an all star in the next few years and you return to argue this bad value trade…
What do you think the responses will be? My prediction, you’ll get a laughably large amount of downvotes and ridicule.
Probably, but that's a sign of people being idiots. It's nothing new.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 9:23 pm to WicKed WayZ
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I get bagging on the trade but I’ll never understand this kind of logic. Talking shite about the player we took at 7 and saying he will bust is one thing - it’s another thing entirely to say this and then bitch about losing a pick in next year’s draft when we could be selecting from a similar position and just as easily bust on that player too.
1) these players are being paid to play a game.
2) when a player is flawed, and has more questions than answers, you damn well have the right to question them.
Does Fears have a high potential ceiling? Sure. Is he likely to get anywhere close to it? Realistically speaking? Not at all. It’s possible but unlikely he is more than a bench player.
He can’t shoot well, is ball dominant, and has not shown an ability to play well off the ball.
Can he improve in those areas? Sure, but it’s still less likely than him being a bust.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 9:23 pm to Fun Bunch
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Yes i know you don’t follow.
The played is irrelevant to the TRADE ITSELF. the value you gave to move for the number pick you acquire.
That’s it. The player is a separate issue.
No, that's ridiculous. Your logic would be perfectly valid if we had made the trade yesterday, because then, you'd have been trading unknown picks.
This isn't an unknown pick. We didn't trade "for a pick." We traded for a specific player. You can't say that the player is a separate issue, when he is what we traded for.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 9:24 pm to whatiknowsofar
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No it isn't. If queen is a hit we'll all feel silly.
Naw. That just means we were on the right side of variance.
I don't think anyone is arguing there's a 0% chance of realizing more value than the risk we took on in the trade. If they are that is also a dumb argument.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 9:25 pm to NOFOX
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This is fricking crazy. Next years top of the draft is insane. Not having at least top 1 protection on a pick with a swap is moronic.
I feel like people say that the next year’s draft every year.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 9:26 pm to Fun Bunch
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Yes i know you don’t follow. The played is irrelevant to the TRADE ITSELF. the value you gave to move for the number pick you acquire. That’s it. The player is a separate issue.
Yeah, I mean if Denver would have traded 2 1sts to move into the 2nd for Jokic everyone would be calling them idiots, even though Jokic is definitely worth the picks paid, the trade made to get him wasn’t.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 9:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Probably, but that's a sign of people being idiots. It's nothing new.
I mean, if you are trying to find the negative in everything. If he turns out to be awesome, and you call people idiots for thinking the gamble didn’t pay off… then what are we even talking about?
This post was edited on 6/25/25 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 6/25/25 at 9:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
Honestly wouldn't surprise me if Dumars doesn't even know he gave up control of next year's draft.
Bryson Graham spent a few weeks with these morons, and ran to Atlanta.
He knew the whole way he could sucker those guys.
Bryson Graham spent a few weeks with these morons, and ran to Atlanta.
He knew the whole way he could sucker those guys.
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