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re: Pels schedule Zach Edey for workout
Posted on 5/30/24 at 3:30 pm to Baron
Posted on 5/30/24 at 3:30 pm to Baron
quote:Yeah, Hayes has scared me a bit about those with this knock. Hayes could have been pretty good, but just did not give a damn and has never grown up.
I really want to like Ware, but all the rumblings about his effort level scares the heck out of me. He feels like he’s either going to be a solid starter or bust out, with no in between. He reminds me of Christian Wood, in that with his measurements, athleticism, and skills you wonder why he’s not consistently dominating. Something just isn’t clicking, but if it ever does, he has a chance to be really solid.
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 3:33 pm to Baron
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I’m not as high on Smith. He clearly is a decent shooter for his size, but G-league bigs always scare me. It’s just so hard to get a read on those guys because of the type of play in the g-league. I’ve seen a decent amount of Smith highlights and watched a little bit of his games and yet have no clue if he can do anything that we need other than shoot
Yeah Smith is raw in a lot of areas but he has really good size and he can shoot which are 2 of the most valuable traits in the league. I think that's a pretty damn good starting point and then I'd work on his deficiencies.
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Missi can be a mess sometimes but man his flashes are so good. Apparently he shot really really well at workouts too, which makes his actual ceiling hard to fathom. He’s project that is absolutely work a risk.
Yeah, Missi crushed the combine. If you're looking for your Derrick Lively type guy, I think Missi is your best bet.
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I really want to like Ware, but all the rumblings about his effort level scares the heck out of me. He feels like he’s either going to be a solid starter or bust out, with no in between. He reminds me of Christian Wood, in that with his measurements, athleticism, and skills you wonder why he’s not consistently dominating. Something just isn’t clicking, but if it ever does, he has a chance to be really solid.
I feel the same exact way, he has a Jaxson Hayes/Christian Wood stench to me and he would be my 3rd choice behind Missi and Smith but if he's available at 21 and the other 2 guys are gone, I'd hold my nose and draft him because the potential to draft a shot blocking, stretch 5 at 21 is too good to pass up
Posted on 5/30/24 at 3:33 pm to Baron
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unn first two years in college FT %:
50%
53%
Herb’s first two years in college FT%:
50%
49%
which is why he should stay in college for another year and improve his shot if he can, like Herb did. No one is investing time in a late 2nd round pick or undrafted player to develop a shot. It's somethign he needs to work on himself, and somethign they'd expect him to do on his own. Fred Vinson isn't spending hours a day with him. He's a bit too busy for that. We've heard of other players not getting the time they want with him already.
If he's on a path to get his degree in 3 years, then he should definitely go back to school.
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I’m always for taking risks on guys whose swing-skill is shooting.
i disagree. More often than not they never develop the shot, and by the time they do, if they do, they aren't on their original team anymore anyway. I'm never interested in guys that are projects in every single phase of offensive skillsets.
Give me an example of a guy who clearly has no offense in college and gets drafted and actually learns how to shoot in the first 4 years and isn't traded before his rookie contract is up?
Posted on 5/30/24 at 3:36 pm to NOSHAU
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Yeah, Hayes has scared me a bit about those with this knock. Hayes could have been pretty good, but just did not give a damn and has never grown up.
Agreed but you'd be drafting Ware with the 21st pick in a shitty draft. It's a lot lower cost than drafting Hayes 8th. At 21 I think it's worth the swing, top 10, not so much
Posted on 5/30/24 at 4:00 pm to TigerinATL
While I agree that he doesn't fit a Willie team, there are far worse options for 21.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 4:13 pm to NOSHAU
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Hayes could have been pretty good, but just did not give a damn and has never grown up.
Hayes could have been a very good NBA starter, but he's a dumbass.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 7:15 pm to Jester
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Hayes could have been a very good NBA starter, but he's a dumbass.
One of the biggest wastes of raw talent I’ve ever seen. Dude even had a very workable jump shot he could have developed if he gave a shite
Posted on 5/30/24 at 8:54 pm to TigerinATL
Weird face
Posted on 5/30/24 at 10:22 pm to Balsamic_duck
quote:I agree
Agreed but you'd be drafting Ware with the 21st pick in a shitty draft. It's a lot lower cost than drafting Hayes 8th. At 21 I think it's worth the swing, top 10, not so much
Posted on 5/30/24 at 10:40 pm to Baron
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am hopeful that one of Messi, Carter, Bub Carrington, or DaRon Holmes is still on the board, but you are correct. There is a good chance that Edey is legitimately the best player available after 20 picks.
Big on carter. Don't think he makes it to 21.
Someone will scoop that dude up a few spots before us.
Posted on 5/30/24 at 11:18 pm to TigerinATL
Jonas moved out his Metaire home off Transcontinental a week after the playoff loss. Dude has been long gone lol
This post was edited on 5/30/24 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:26 am to Chalkywhite84
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Big on carter. Don't think he makes it to 21.
Someone will scoop that dude up a few spots before us.
Absolutely love Carter. Reminds me of a 6'3 Jose. He's not making it to 21, but I would sprint to the podium if he did
If the centers are off the board, I would be very interested in Bub Carrington. Measured well at the combine and would be one of the youngest draft prospects.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 7:33 pm to TigerinATL
And do what with Nance? If they draft this kid they might as well just sign Jonas for MLE type money, maybe 2 years $24 million, to be your starting center. Then trade Ingram for Dejounte Murray or a PG that can run an offense efficiently.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 7:50 pm to LSUPilot07
Even if we wanted him, Jonas isn't coming back.
This post was edited on 5/31/24 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 5/31/24 at 7:57 pm to tzimme4
Realtor sold him on being in old Metairie
Posted on 6/1/24 at 8:06 am to TigerinATL
During the tournament I said he’s a slow, non athletic person. People roasted me. I stand by it, that tough guy frown will get wiped off his face really quick in the NBA. That said, I hope for his success as basketball is a better product with a true big. Call me old.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 8:54 am to TigerinATL
Edey went 14/25 from deep in the 3 point shooting test at the NBA Combine (5th best overall) and also shot 18/30 off the dribble. I think we already knew he had touch just going off his FTs. He didn’t have to step out in college but I think it’s obvious there’s potential there
If he’s “not atheltic” and “slow”, what is Clingan? Edey has inches and 20+ lbs on him
Shuttle Run: Edey 3.01, Clingan 3.38
Lane Agility: Edey 11.19, Clingan 12.06
3/4 court sprint: Edey 3.42, Clingan 3.46
Edey's max and standing verticals were also both higher than Clingan's.
Folks are overthinking Edey in the 20+ range. Trust your eyes, he has a role in the league. If you can get that at 21, especially a team devoid of rebounding and grit, you need to strongly consider it
If he’s “not atheltic” and “slow”, what is Clingan? Edey has inches and 20+ lbs on him
Shuttle Run: Edey 3.01, Clingan 3.38
Lane Agility: Edey 11.19, Clingan 12.06
3/4 court sprint: Edey 3.42, Clingan 3.46
Edey's max and standing verticals were also both higher than Clingan's.
Folks are overthinking Edey in the 20+ range. Trust your eyes, he has a role in the league. If you can get that at 21, especially a team devoid of rebounding and grit, you need to strongly consider it
Posted on 6/1/24 at 9:02 am to GynoSandberg
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f you can get that at 21, especially a team devoid of rebounding and grit, you need to strongly consider it
Which is why he will go earlier than 21.
Posted on 6/1/24 at 9:57 am to GynoSandberg
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If he’s “not atheltic” and “slow”, what is Clingan? Edey has inches and 20+ lbs on him
Watch the clips of them from the combine. The contrast between the two was significant, but not in the way the numbers suggest. Edey looked like he was going all out, Clingan looked like he was half assing it.
I’m not sure what that tells you, it seems like a bit of a red flag on Clingan, but maybe he has a promise and was going through the motions. Still, I don’t think the numbers give you a fair read of the athletic potential of both. That being said I did think Edey looked much better than his reputation and he probably won’t be there at 21 anyway.
This post was edited on 6/1/24 at 10:02 am
Posted on 6/1/24 at 10:21 am to Jester
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