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re: Pels openly discussing trading Jrue
Posted on 11/4/20 at 7:42 pm to Macintosh
Posted on 11/4/20 at 7:42 pm to Macintosh
From this quote from Griff, it doesn't sound like they are ACTIVELY shopping him, but they are listening to offers, and him staying is possible also. Pretty much sounds like its up to Jrue
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Posted on 11/4/20 at 7:45 pm to Soggymoss
Yea that’s the way to go. You only
do a trade if It ticks all the boxes. We’re in no hurry as Holiday isn’t asking to be traded.
do a trade if It ticks all the boxes. We’re in no hurry as Holiday isn’t asking to be traded.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 7:56 pm to Soggymoss
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From this quote from Griff, it doesn't sound like they are ACTIVELY shopping him, but they are listening to offers, and him staying is possible also. Pretty much sounds like its up to Jrue
Griff can't come out and say they are actively looking to trade him, decreases their leverage. Putting it the way he did tonight is exactly the way you go about it. I would hope they've told Jrue not to go public with any demands because that also decreases leverage and probably decreases the chance Jrue gets to go to a better team. Unlike the AD saga, I think both Jrue and Griff know what they are doing here
Posted on 11/4/20 at 8:01 pm to Soggymoss
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From this quote from Griff, it doesn't sound like they are ACTIVELY shopping him, but they are listening to offers, and him staying is possible also. Pretty much sounds like its up to Jrue
Yeah that’s a bunch of Griff Speak. A bunch of used car salesman synergy nonsense. If you are able to parse it, it makes me more sure that we are very actively shopping him, reading between the lines.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 8:35 pm to Fun Bunch
Right. I think the fact that we're discussing is the real evidence. The extension negotiations must not have gone where they wanted them to go.
Looks like it's from a Heat blogger, but as others have mentioned, trading Herro for Jrue has never seemed likely.
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David Fisher @Fish_TBW 2h
According to @GregSylvander the Miami Heat will not be trading for Jrue Holiday.
Greg Sylvander @GregSylvander 10h
The Heat aren’t trading Tyler Herro for Jrue Holiday.
Carry on.
Looks like it's from a Heat blogger, but as others have mentioned, trading Herro for Jrue has never seemed likely.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 9:42 pm to saints5021
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Good. He is a good player who you cannot count on to do anything positive when the game is on the line.
So, I guess you're not a fan of good lock down defensive players.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 11:29 pm to supe12sta12z
No way the celtics give up Jaylen brown.
What else could we get out the raptors besides van fleet?
He would be the perfect point for this team.
Denve is probably where they end up trading him
What else could we get out the raptors besides van fleet?
He would be the perfect point for this team.
Denve is probably where they end up trading him
Posted on 11/4/20 at 11:44 pm to Chalkywhite84
Y’all can drop the Jaylen Brown dream. No way in hell that is going to happen. I thought a trade involving Herro may have been possible if the Heat wanted to go all in.
I still think we should take the GSW trade if we can get the #2 and Twolves pick next year. Maybe see what we can do with Wiggins for one season and flip him next year when is contract is shorter. But I’d try to get Hayes or Deni this draft and see how the pieces fit.
I still think we should take the GSW trade if we can get the #2 and Twolves pick next year. Maybe see what we can do with Wiggins for one season and flip him next year when is contract is shorter. But I’d try to get Hayes or Deni this draft and see how the pieces fit.
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Posted on 11/4/20 at 11:51 pm to Townedrunkard
Agreed GSW is by far the best option in regard to high value assets. Atlanta isn’t bad too but I’m sure they’ll worry about being able to retain him once his contract is up. GSW is less likely to worry about that.
Posted on 11/5/20 at 6:50 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
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So, I guess you're not a fan of good lock down defensive players.
If we played the Blazers 82 games per year Jrue would be all NBA, we don’t and his impact just didn’t show up from night to night.
Posted on 11/5/20 at 8:00 am to Macintosh
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Agreed GSW is by far the best option in regard to high value assets. Atlanta isn’t bad too but I’m sure they’ll worry about being able to retain him once his contract is up. GSW is less likely to worry about that.
Pick 2 and what? Paschall?
You don't want pick 2 in this draft. Atlanta has the best assets
Posted on 11/5/20 at 8:50 am to Pelefraan 1
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Pick 2 and what?
Minnesota's 2021 pick which is likely to be a top 10ish pick next year and is unprotected the following year if they manage to get into the top 4. I would think the Warriors would want to keep as many useful players as possible in a Jrue trade. If you manage to squeeze anything else out, it'd probably be far future 1sts and swap rights.
Posted on 11/5/20 at 9:12 am to TigerinATL
quote:I wonder if there if a team that would actually want Wiggins that we could involve that would not require high 1st rounders to take him.
Minnesota's 2021 pick which is likely to be a top 10ish pick next year and is unprotected the following year if they manage to get into the top 4. I would think the Warriors would want to keep as many useful players as possible in a Jrue trade. If you manage to squeeze anything else out, it'd probably be far future 1sts and swap rights.
Posted on 11/5/20 at 9:16 am to TigerinATL
The only way the Warriors can trade for Holiday is to include either Green or Wiggins. They aren't giving up either. They need Wiggins. He is the big wing they have to have. If you look back to their historic year, what is different? No Iggy, Barnes and Livingston. They need big, athletic wings. Wiggins and Poole help offset that. The have that big exception.(James Johnson?) and the 2nd pick to round out the roster. All the chatter about them making a big move is wishful thinking..
Posted on 11/5/20 at 9:17 am to brmark70816
quote:They can fill that role much cheaper than Wiggins (and can use that TPE to do it if needed). If they could get Jrue by giving up Wiggins, they would do it in a heartbeat.
The only way the Warriors can trade for Holiday is to include either Green or Wiggins. They aren't giving up either. They need Wiggins. He is the big wing they have to have. If you look back to their historic year, what is different? No Iggy, Barnes and Livingston. They need big, athletic wings. Wiggins and Poole help offset that. The have that big exception.(James Johnson?) and the 2nd pick to round out the roster. All the chatter about them making a big move is wishful thinking.
This post was edited on 11/5/20 at 9:18 am
Posted on 11/5/20 at 9:25 am to NOSHAU
I don't agree. I'm sure people are projecting that. But Wiggins fills a better role for them and has a higher ceiling. Holiday isn't as good as Russell, who the Warriors had and was a horrible fit. So they had to move him and lucked into a great package with Wiggins. Why would the Warriors go back to that?
Posted on 11/5/20 at 10:08 am to brmark70816
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The only way the Warriors can trade for Holiday is to include either Green or Wiggins. They aren't giving up either. They need Wiggins.
They do not need Wiggins.
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. They need big, athletic wings. Wiggins and Poole help offset that.
You're talking about for defense. THey don't need any help offensively with Steph and Klay on the court.
Wiggins isn't a good defender. Jrue obviously is. He's the Iggy defensive guy they need. They could always go get a guy like Roberson, but his offense is too terrible.
They add Jrue and they have a great defensive team with Steph/Jrue/Klay/Draymond/Looney, and if Pascall keeps getting better, they can go small ball with him, even though he's not a small guy but can play that big 4 role nicely. They'll get the minimum guys to come over that can play backup roles this year now that they are a title contender again.
Jrue gives them a much much much better chance at a title than Wiggins. They could give Jordan Clarkson their MLE money for a year and he would provide pretty much the same thing Wiggins would, which is a basically a bench scorer that can get his own when Steph/Klay are out.
Posted on 11/5/20 at 10:15 am to brmark70816
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Holiday isn't as good as Russell, who the Warriors had and was a horrible fit. So they had to move him and lucked into a great package with Wiggins. Why would the Warriors go back to that?
Russell requires the ball in his hands to be good. So does Wiggins. Jrue does not. It's why he's a great fit for them. You don't want to take the ball out of Steph's hands, and Jrue can give them that, while being their primary ball handler when Steph is out.
Defense still wins championships. The Warriors don't need much offensive help even though Jrue is still a very good offensive player. Jrue could score 17 a night for them with ease taking 13 shots a game. As you said, they need big wing help, and Jrue is more than capable of guarding big wings, as is Klay. It allows them to go back to switching everything and still having a good defensive matchup almost all the time.
Posted on 11/5/20 at 10:24 am to brmark70816
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They aren't giving up either.
GS wouldn’t even hesitate a second to include Wiggins. They would pack his bag and have him on a plane before the ink from the fax was dry. Posted on 11/5/20 at 10:33 am to brmark70816
quote:Holiday and Russell are nothing at all alike. Have you watched Wiggins much? He is a terrible value at his contract. He does not fit the Iggy role one bit, so not sure why you compare him to that. He is nearly the opposite of Iggy. Not a doubt in my mind they would love to have us take Wiggins if it meant getting Jrue.
I don't agree. I'm sure people are projecting that. But Wiggins fills a better role for them and has a higher ceiling. Holiday isn't as good as Russell, who the Warriors had and was a horrible fit. So they had to move him and lucked into a great package with Wiggins. Why would the Warriors go back to that?
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