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Pelicans Tier List of Problems

Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:01 am
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Member since Nov 2010
24516 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:01 am
I'd like to start an exercise to see what everyone thinks is the Pelicans least important and most important issues that hold back this franchise from being consistently successful.

For me it would look like this (from most important to least important)

Zion not being in shape

God awful injury luck

Bad management

Willie Green
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
172063 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:07 am to
zion

injuries

griffin
Posted by Geauxldilocks
Member since Aug 2018
3950 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:10 am to
quote:

God awful injury luck


This long of a pattern can no longer be attributed to bad luck.

Just type Oschner as much as it pains us because there is no solution.
Posted by unctiger4
Member since Mar 2015
2287 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:23 am to
Zion being a 14 year old weeb fatass (40%)
Cheap ownership (30%)
Injury luck (15%)
Griff (10%)
Willie Green (5%)
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
An Incredibly Distant Star
Member since Dec 2013
17376 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:37 am to
quote:

1. Zion not being professional
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
7490 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:50 pm to
1. Gayle has no idea wtf she's doing
Posted by jmcwhrter
Member since Nov 2012
7172 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 12:55 pm to
1. Injury luck -- management and coaches can't really gameplan or strategize long term if they have no idea who will be available on any given day

2. Zion -- having to build around him is a ridiculous task. Never available, but when he is, he's ball dominant.. But when he's out, you need someone to handle the ball. When he plays, you need defense and rebounding. When he's out, you need points wherever you can get them, even if you have to sacrifice defense and rebounds. etc. etc.
Posted by SEC Doctor
Member since Aug 2024
6392 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 1:18 pm to
You need to add Loomis to your list.
Posted by WaltWhite504
Member since Sep 2021
1879 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 1:57 pm to
1) Half court offense is flat, predictable and boring. When we go against an elite defense (like OKC) its embarrassing. We need HEALTHY players who can create and score.

2) Worst defense in the NBA. Ok, maybe not Jazz bad, but Utah was admittedly tanking for Flagg. We try and suck. Wide open lanes to the rim and all the spacing a team needs to score at the 3. Coaches know its happening and cannot fix it. Its so frustrating. I look forward to seeing Herb come back, but we really crapped the bed giving away Dyson.

3) No identity - every night is a different lineup due to injury. I have to check the starting lineup more than the weather report. Players need consistency and leadership to win. We have ZERO. BI was the leader of this team by proxy and he pretty much quit last season till the trade. If Zion is supposed to be our current leader - holy hell no wonder.

4) Reputation - We are a joke. Playing second child to the Saints is not a good situation and it has impacted player satisfaction (& possibly health). Player talk sh"t about us as they leave. No free agent would consider us as an option unless they were just looking for a check. Our talent always leaves. It would take a miracle from heaven to change this. Even if we got the #1 pick next week, it might be too late.

5)The End - this team is packing for a sale and everyone knows it. NBA wants a new stadium, State is not going to pay for it. Lease is up and we are now riding an extension which takes us into 2029-30. I predict that will be our last season. There is simply no regional interest in a team that never wins. SKC is always empty unless they give out plush hats or Lakers play. People will not even watch this team for free on broadcast tv. You can call ownership cheap if you want, but remember her #1 sport is horses and this is basically like not feeding a dead horse.
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 2:13 pm
Posted by Taylor31
Member since Jun 2018
140 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:01 pm to
No contest, the Pels biggest problem on May 7th 2025

#1 The drafting of Zion Williamson has put this team in limbo for five years. The front office has been unable to evaluate the team because of his injuries. He must be traded, and it be a fair trade.

#2 The D. Murray trade for the very good Dyson Daniels. Murray's injury has the Pels in a bad spot if they draft lower than four. That was a monster trade that has backfired on this Pelican team. Daniels is the type of roll player that you win championships with.

#3 The horrible national press that continues to spew out negative BS about this organization. This press hurts the Pelican organization, and every damn fool fan in our area believes it. All of this will end if the ping pong balls are good to us, and every player comes back healthy next season. Oh yeah, Zion must be traded ASAP.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
28605 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:09 pm to
Zion's availability (due to being fat)

Everyone else who matters availability (Murray, Trey, Herb, CJ)

Medical Staff - it's not a coincidence anymore. They are a problem and it needs to be fixed.






Ownership - has no idea what she's doing or how to run a successful business. This issue has become more important to me over the last year, whereas I wouldn't have even mentioned it a year ago. doesn't matter b/c it's not changing.

GM - incredible waste of assets since the AD trade. horrible roster building the last 5 years.

Coaching - matters the least, but is still important. If Zion was in shape and dominating while everyone else was mostly healthy, then we'd be winning and masking most coaching deficiencies.
Posted by Ghost Of Bristow
Member since Apr 2025
57 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 4:24 pm to
I think they have actually fixed a bunch of problems. Start with firing David Griffin and hiring Joe Dumars Then turning Murphy into the life of a party.

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This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 4:31 pm
Posted by Geauxldilocks
Member since Aug 2018
3950 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 4:46 pm to
quote:

The End - this team is packing for a sale and everyone knows it. NBA wants a new stadium, State is not going to pay for it. Lease is up and we are now riding an extension which takes us into 2029-30. I predict that will be our last season.


Agree, many of us here are counting the days until the Pels leave. It’s been a miserable experience having them in NOLA.
Posted by unctiger4
Member since Mar 2015
2287 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 4:52 pm to
Was that Ryan Anderson?
Posted by New City Champ
Member since Jul 2018
593 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 6:52 pm to
1. Injuries. Not saying Pels were heading for the finals or anything, but they were a 50-win team last season and, with average health, probably would have been again and in the top 6. It's easy to forget that.

1a. Zion. Injuries here as well, but additionally how much of that has been due to his own failures on conditioning and rehab? Hard to know for sure, but hamstrings, meniscus tears, foot fractures can all be impacted by being too heavy or not training properly for the rigors of the NBA. With Zion I've always thought it's not just a matter of being fat or out of shape: he's just too heavy to play the way he does and last a full season + the playoffs. He looked very good the second half of this season so maybe he's turned a corner on this issue, but his injury history is a. major, major factor in Pels future if he stays.

2. Willie/Griff. A couple of months ago I heard AD on his national radio show talking about how teams always come to reflect the personality of their head coach and/or GM to a large extent. He wasn't talking about the Pels but it was hard to miss the implication given some of his past comments about how the team plays and the club's failure to address these issues, such as end of game melt downs. I hope among Dumars first orders of business is to get all the crap off the walls about "joy" and "compassion. He should just stick a post-it note on the gym wall that says "win."

3. Shooting. Since Zion's early days it's been clear the Pels should surround him with shooters and more shooters. He has the gravitational pull of a black hole. Instead the Pels dealt assets for traditional big men, held on to BI long after it was clear he wasn't going to change his mid-range game and continued to play offensively challenged vets instead of developing its young draft picks. If Willie stays, Dumars really has to take him to the wood shed on this stuff.

For me stuff like ownership, the arena, the luxury tax (for now) are way, way down the list. If you win, no one cares about the arena. Boston Garden was a notorious dump for years in the Cs golden years. MSG isn't much better. Winning cures all that. I think a lot of criticism of the Pels is overstated. People mocked the Knicks and Lakers and Suns and many other front offices until they didn't. Not saying there aren't legit issues, but it's sometimes just lazy and cynical, like a lot of bros on a sub-reddit crapping on the widow owner.
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
12886 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 7:51 pm to
Read this board and the percentages next to Willie Green. That’s why nothing happens cause people aren’t pissed off enough to make any change when they damn well should be.

I do not understand why everyone is accountable for Zion’s conditioning, including Griffin, yet Willie Green doesn’t even get mentioned by ANYBODY as part of the problem when it comes to Zion these last few years.

I refuse to believe in anyone’s basketball intelligence that thinks he’s even a mediocre coach right now. It’s like Deja Vu. You people didn’t want to admit Monty sucked either and he got laughed out of the league and spawned a Little Monty that is exactly like him but softer.

A good coach can fix a whole hell of a lot of problems. A bad one can create a whole hell of a lot too. Cause the guys are actually supposed to listen to Willie Green’s dumbass as part of their job description.

Goddamn i can’t believe Willie Green isn’t #1 with a bullet on everyone’s list. He sucks and there’s not a single redeeming quality at this point as coach since he’s not molding 20 year olds anymore and we’re actually supposed to be trying to win.

Rant over.

TLDR: Willie is #1, #2, #3. #4-10 everything else we all know about
Posted by unctiger4
Member since Mar 2015
2287 posts
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:37 am to
quote:

A good coach can fix a whole hell of a lot of problems. A bad one can create a whole hell of a lot too. Cause the guys are actually supposed to listen to Willie Green’s dumbass as part of their job description. Goddamn i can’t believe Willie Green isn’t #1 with a bullet on everyone’s list. He sucks and there’s not a single redeeming quality at this point as coach since he’s not molding 20 year olds anymore and we’re actually supposed to be trying to win.


Nobody thinks willie is a great coach, but this isn’t college ball. Coaching in the NBA just doesn’t move the needle as much as players and front office. Superstars make coaches in this league.

Spoelstra is widely considered one of the best in the league (maybe the best) and Miami just had the worst point differential in a four game sweep of all time.

Success in the NBA comes when you
1) have a superstar
2) have a smart front office
3) are in an attractive market to free agents
4) have a good coach

I mean shite our most successful seasons in franchise history came with Byron Scott and Alvin Gentry. Scott even won Coach of the Year in 07-08

Keeping Willie is a joke. But the root problem there is ownership. The symptom is keeping the shitty coach.
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