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re: Pelican interested in trading for Kevin Love
Posted on 7/5/21 at 2:02 pm to shel311
Posted on 7/5/21 at 2:02 pm to shel311
The obvious preference has to be to not trade for Love. You pursue pretty much all other deals first.
His contract is huge and putrid. He’s a bit broken both physically and mentally. His defense next to BI and Zion would be a massive concern.
But I can see some benefit as well as sort of a last ditch effort turning Bledsoe and Adams into Love/asset. You try and rehab him, get him to buy in a bit and be a compliment with rebounding, outlet passes and shooting. It’s a major risk.
His contract is huge and putrid. He’s a bit broken both physically and mentally. His defense next to BI and Zion would be a massive concern.
But I can see some benefit as well as sort of a last ditch effort turning Bledsoe and Adams into Love/asset. You try and rehab him, get him to buy in a bit and be a compliment with rebounding, outlet passes and shooting. It’s a major risk.
This post was edited on 7/5/21 at 2:03 pm
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Posted on 7/5/21 at 2:12 pm to TigerintheNO
This thread is giving me a lot of back and forth thought. At first, I said abso-fricking-lutely not to Kevin Love and his terrible contract, HOWEVER, I would do it if all we had to give up essentially was Bledsoe and Adams. Their contracts are pretty much even and we already KNOW Bledsoe/Adams doesn't work and will never work. At least try to get Love knowing he'd be the best player in the deal by a lot, that is if we can't come up with anything better.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:06 pm to Soggymoss
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Not really. He has tried to play through injury sure, but he still played at a higher level than Adams
Man, for a top 10 center in the NBA, y’all sure are hard on Adams. Thought we really need his mentor ship for Jax? And y’all ready to just ship him out for broken down Love now lol.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:16 pm to Townedrunkard
quote:We can talk about fit and salary, but Kevin Love is a whole lot better than Steven Adams. It's really not close.
Man, for a top 10 center in the NBA, y’all sure are hard on Adams. Thought we really need his mentor ship for Jax? And y’all ready to just ship him out for broken down Love now lol.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:19 pm to Townedrunkard
Give me healthy Adams over Love all day long, problem being, how often do you get a truly healthy Adams? He was balling at the start of the season.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:26 pm to Soggymoss
quote:Seems you don't get either healthy any more but healthy Kevin Love is just much better than healthy Steven Adams, it's really not close.
Give me healthy Adams over Love all day long, problem being, how often do you get a truly healthy Adams? He was balling at the start of the season.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:55 pm to shel311
quote:Agreed. But those days may be over for Love at his age. I am not sure there are many left for Adams either though even though he is still young.
Seems you don't get either healthy any more but healthy Kevin Love is just much better than healthy Steven Adams, it's really not close.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:24 pm to NOSHAU
I'm guessing we wouldn't be able to match salaries but my thinking is kinda the opposite.
I don't like this deal as one we make if we strike out on any and all other bigger deals. I think this is a deal we should consider only after we'd make a bigger deal to land another player.
I don't like this deal as one we make if we strike out on any and all other bigger deals. I think this is a deal we should consider only after we'd make a bigger deal to land another player.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 6:55 pm to shel311
[Deleted some crap I wrote -- thanks Soggymoss.]
On the other hand, thinking about what shel311 just wrote, what works in all three trade machines that I tried: sending Ingram, Kira and Bledsoe to Portland for Lillard and sending Adams and Iwundu to Cleveland for Love.
If Lillard ends up wanting out, but is only willing to consider the Pelicans if we upgrade the roster, then this is a move that we could make to put together a more competitive team.
If we're willing to pay all that tax. Which, if we're getting Lillard, we should be able to do.
On the other hand, thinking about what shel311 just wrote, what works in all three trade machines that I tried: sending Ingram, Kira and Bledsoe to Portland for Lillard and sending Adams and Iwundu to Cleveland for Love.
If Lillard ends up wanting out, but is only willing to consider the Pelicans if we upgrade the roster, then this is a move that we could make to put together a more competitive team.
If we're willing to pay all that tax. Which, if we're getting Lillard, we should be able to do.
This post was edited on 7/5/21 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 7/5/21 at 7:09 pm to GOP_Tiger
Love's 31.2 million dollar contract allows Cleveland to take back 39 million in salary (rule is 125% for non taxpaying teams), so they absolutely can do a straight swap.
As far as Lillard, that ship has sailed, if he asks out it won't be this offseason.
As far as Lillard, that ship has sailed, if he asks out it won't be this offseason.
This post was edited on 7/5/21 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 7/5/21 at 7:53 pm to Soggymoss
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As far as Lillard, that ship has sailed, if he asks out it won't be this offseason.
Link? No seriously, everything that I keep hearing is that the Blazers need to make major moves to keep him. And the Blazers don't have the assets to make major moves. The only way that they can do that is to move CJ, and I really don't know who they are going to trade CJ for who will make the Blazers better.
Here's a Blazers blog/podcast guy today saying that Lillard won't be a Blazer at this time next year unless those major moves are made. LINK
"The next six to eight weeks are crucial to Lillard's future in Portland."
Posted on 7/5/21 at 7:54 pm to Soggymoss
Can we get a coach before we bring in more players who may not fit the new coach's system?
Posted on 7/5/21 at 8:38 pm to GOP_Tiger
Lillard is staying this year, their season won’t go the way he wants, and he’ll be traded next year. And at that point I don’t think I’d want to trade a whole lot of meaningful assets for a 32 year old guard.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 5:17 am to M3From225
There's not a system out there that Love wouldn't fit in, especially paired with Zion. His "fit" is not something that should worry anybody, it's his health.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 5:19 am to GOP_Tiger
If he asks out it wouldn't be until in season before the deadline, or next offseason. Yes the next few weeks are imperative Portland nails it, but he will still go into the season seeing what they have first.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 8:07 am to GOP_Tiger
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sending Ingram, Kira and Bledsoe to Portland for Lillard and sending Adams and Iwundu to Cleveland for Love.
wet dream.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 8:25 am to shel311
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I don't like this deal as one we make if we strike out on any and all other bigger deals. I think this is a deal we should consider only after we'd make a bigger deal to land another player.
I personally don't like the deal at all. It locks us in for more money in an individual player, which could theoretically make it harder to move if we need. I know what we're getting out of Adams, it isn't the ideal fit, but for stretches its honestly what we needed. Even the injured "bad" version of him is important for 15-20 minutes compared to 0 of Love.
Love will be 33, he's played 103 games the past 3 seasons. That's VERY concerning and hard to imagine sinking 30+mil/yr without getting a lot of value back. Bledsoe and Adams may cost us to move, but not THAT much.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 8:57 am to htran90
to say he's "broken down" seems unfair..
18/19 -- broken hand.. more of a bad luck injury
Last year he missed a bunch of games after getting kicked in the leg and his calf/achilles kept flaring up..
Then you have to factor in the number of games he missed for "load management" on a team that's actively trying to lose for draft position
It's not a great deal, but it's hardly a terrible one.. Can Aaron Nelson's staff keep him on the court, and would being on a better team motivate him to give more effort on both ends of the court?
18/19 -- broken hand.. more of a bad luck injury
Last year he missed a bunch of games after getting kicked in the leg and his calf/achilles kept flaring up..
Then you have to factor in the number of games he missed for "load management" on a team that's actively trying to lose for draft position
It's not a great deal, but it's hardly a terrible one.. Can Aaron Nelson's staff keep him on the court, and would being on a better team motivate him to give more effort on both ends of the court?
Posted on 7/6/21 at 9:12 am to htran90
Klay Thompson has played 78 games the past 3 seasons, yet everyone would jump up and down to trade for him when he's on a longer worse deal.
And as I noted earlier in this thread, you're only locked in for like 3 million more than what's owed to Bled and Adams.
And as I noted earlier in this thread, you're only locked in for like 3 million more than what's owed to Bled and Adams.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 9:17 am to jmcwhrter
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to say he's "broken down" seems unfair..
18/19 -- broken hand.. more of a bad luck injury
Last year he missed a bunch of games after getting kicked in the leg and his calf/achilles kept flaring up..
Then you have to factor in the number of games he missed for "load management" on a team that's actively trying to lose for draft position
All that said, he's not getting any younger. He hasn't played more than 60 games in 5 years and his minutes have been generally trending downward over that same period. It's not terrible, but he's owed $60M over 2 years, which is a lot.
If they'd take Bledsoe and Adams for him, it's a no-brainer. They will insist on other assets to make that happen, though, and I'm not even sure if they'll want to turn one bad contract into 2.
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