re: Official Free Agency and Trade Thread: Latest Pels sign Charles Cooke to 2 way

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Wiggins sucks


ehhh

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Wiggins doesn't suck, but he is limited. It is concerning that despite his athleticism and length, he is still such a poor defender. He has room to grow, but he is primarily a scorer.

In the deal Simmons proposed, I don't see why we wouldn't just trade Cousins for Beal.

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I don't think it's a good trade in a vacuum

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it all depends on how you think about Cousins. Pels fans are, rightly, deeply invested in Cousins working in NO. i think the Pels themselves are too.

but if you have doubts about Cousins or doubts about building around 2 bigs in 2017, getting Wiggins isnt a bad play. if you think about the price they paid for Cousins, they would have turned that into Wiggins. that dude has some flaws (so does Cousins), but he is still 22.

a few weeks ago people were all in on getting Reggie fricking Jackson, but Andrew Wiggins sucks? come on

Wiggins doesn't "Suck" compared to the league, but if we're talking:

Irving
Beal
Cousins
Wiggins

he sucks. We give up arguably the best or 2nd best player of that group and we get the worst. That's not a bad trade at all.

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you feel much better about maxing Boogie (and all of his baggae) out at 30% of the cap for ages 26-30 v Wiggins at 25% of the cap for ages 22-26?

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Boogie is in his prime and much more unique/talented than Wiggins. You hope Wiggins improves defensively and has more impact on the game, but Boogie is a better perimeter shooter, FT shooter, more FTA, more rebounds, more assists, more points, more blocks, more steals, better defensive impact. Right now Boogie is far superior to Wiggins and it is going to take a lot of improvement by Wiggins to close that gap.

If Boogie/AD works this year, I am extremely comfortable giving him the max despite his baggage. If it wasn't for his baggage, we would have had no shot at him and he would have likely earned the designated vet extension.

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would be interesting. i like Beal and he is very good, but i wonder what he looks like w/ Holiday instead of John Wall setting him up. not so sure he is better than Wiggins, especially when you factor in injury history

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Beal fits this team much better than Wiggins and he was a much better player this past year. Beal opens up the offense with spacing and became a much better initiator this past year. You would get 2 extra years guaranteed with Wiggins, but Beal still has 4 years left.

I think Beal looks just fine with Holiday/AD vs Wall/Gortat.

Fun fact of the day:
21 players in the history of the NBA have scored more points than Andrew Wiggins 4,995 points in their first 3 season.
Here's the last few to do that the last 30 years:
Kevin Durant
Lebron and Carmelo
Glenn Robinson
Shaq
David Robinson
Hakeem Olajuwon

To say he sucks is a pretty stupid statement.

I'm all on the Boogie Train, but I think you have to take Wiggins if that becomes available. Wiggins is younger, has less mileage on his body, will cost less and you don't have to worry about him getting fouled out or quiting during a play. Cousins is the better player now, but Wiggins gives you something to build on after Davis. And for a small market team like NOLA, that's invaluable.

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I'm all on the Boogie Train, but I think you have to take Wiggins if that becomes available. Wiggins is younger, has less mileage on his body, will cost less and you don't have to worry about him getting fouled out or quiting during a play. Cousins is the better player now, but Wiggins gives you something to build on after Davis. And for a small market team like NOLA, that's invaluable.

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I mean Wiggins is about to hit a 5/148mil extension. It's not that much cheaper than Boogie.

You don't have to worry about the baggage that Boogie brings, but he has a lot of other problems.

A Wiggins-KAT pairing could barely do that much...how much more does a Wiggins-AD pair do? I'd rather find out what an AD-Cousins pairing can do. Wiggins is young, but he has limits and if Minnesota is willing to move him that speaks a lot more of what they think of him long term as well.

while i did point out his scoring stat for the first 3 years makes it sound like he's a pretty elite scorer given the company he's in, i agree with everything you said htran.

I get the sense he has a very low bbiq, and his shooting percentage from 3 and the ft line concern me. He's not a good shooter at all. He's an elite athlete in an elite body frame, 6'8" 200lb with a 7' wingspan (not a SG by the way), and is a good scorer b/c of it.

it's feb 2016

you can trade buddy hield + #10 for one of Demarcus cousins or Andrew Wiggins

pick one

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it's feb 2016

you can trade buddy hield + #10 for one of Demarcus cousins or Andrew Wiggins

pick one

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cousins, but that's because I'm not that high on Wiggins.

He's an elite athlete at the wing (which we DESPERATELY need), but he should be a better facilitator and defender but he is not and never shown the ability or IQ to improve that.

It comes down to how to improve this team and I have more faith in Cousins-AD together than Wiggins-AD. Wiggins-KAT is not even a playoff team, KAT and AD are both two of the top big men in the league so the move is almost lateral.