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re: Official 2018 Trade Deadline Thread: Update Dante to Brooklyn
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:42 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:42 am to TigerinATL
Yeah, I would do that deal.
Makes us much better this year and next, imo.
Not sure the Nets would though.
Makes us much better this year and next, imo.
Not sure the Nets would though.
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Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:54 am to TigerinATL
Crewz still does Twitter?
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:56 am to Fun Bunch
quote:Yeah, is the 2020 1st rounder enough for them to do this deal? If they truly believe that Dinwiddie is not part of their future maybe.
Yeah, I would do that deal.
Makes us much better this year and next, imo.
Not sure the Nets would though.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:13 am to NOSHAU
I'm not going to lie, I've probably seen Dinwiddie play for like a total of 5 minutes.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:24 am to NOSHAU
So there is some interesting buyout speculation heating up. I don't now if buyouts should be a different thread, but backup bigs should be readily available:
Bogut (will choose after trade deadline)
Noel (DAL supposedly will buyout if not traded)
Monroe (PHX will buy him out if not traded)
Frye (SAC will supposedly buyout if acquired)
KCP (some have speculated, but does not make sense to me)
Bogut (will choose after trade deadline)
Noel (DAL supposedly will buyout if not traded)
Monroe (PHX will buy him out if not traded)
Frye (SAC will supposedly buyout if acquired)
KCP (some have speculated, but does not make sense to me)
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:26 am to Fun Bunch
Dinwiddie is not some great player, although he's got some nice advanced stats. He's a 2nd round pick that only found real playing time once he ended up on one of the worst teams in the league. His best case scenario is probably an E'Tuwan Moore level player.
This team needs a PG, but would you trade a 1st for a Moore level PG? Maybe, but you wouldn't be happy if you did. But what if I told you he's making $1.5 this year and $1.6 next? That's what makes him someone worth trading a 1st for. You can plug some holes while staying under the tax and keep the AD/DC train rolling along until a more tax worthy opportunity comes along.
This team needs a PG, but would you trade a 1st for a Moore level PG? Maybe, but you wouldn't be happy if you did. But what if I told you he's making $1.5 this year and $1.6 next? That's what makes him someone worth trading a 1st for. You can plug some holes while staying under the tax and keep the AD/DC train rolling along until a more tax worthy opportunity comes along.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:28 am to NOFOX
quote:
Bogut (will choose after trade deadline)
I saw someone say Bogut wouldn't come here because of Boogie. Do they have some beef?
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:31 am to TigerinATL
quote:
Marc Stein @TheSteinLine 13 minutes ago
It would take a first-round pick to get him, because Dallas sees him as one of its culture-setters, but league sources say that the Mavs would part with Wes Matthews before the Feb. 8 trade deadline if they can get a first in return
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:35 am to TigerinATL
quote:
I saw someone say Bogut wouldn't come here because of Boogie. Do they have some beef?
That's news to me. I could not find any evidence of fights between them outside of some standard in game theatrics during the Olympics.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:37 am to NOFOX
Maybe he was expecting a bigger role than AD/DC would allow him to have. I'm not 100% it was MM but I'm pretty sure I saw it on twitter from someone that covers the team, as opposed to random message board poster.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:38 am to TigerinATL
quote:
Marc Stein @TheSteinLine 13 minutes ago
It would take a first-round pick to get him, because Dallas sees him as one of its culture-setters, but league sources say that the Mavs would part with Wes Matthews before the Feb. 8 trade deadline if they can get a first in return
still a damn good 3pt shooter (6.3 attempts, 38.9%) and veteran presence that can actually make a difference on the court (sorry allen, rondo, jameer...).
but he overlaps a lot with moore and at this point in matthews' career, he's not a plus defender. It'd be nice for a culture-setting piece, but holding onto the 1st or trading it for a PG seems to be a smarter decision.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:42 am to TigerinATL
I just saw that. I love DAL pretending Wes is an asset for which they are going to get a real return.
I know he is hitting 3's at his career rate again, but no one is giving a 1st for him unless there is just terrible salary coming back. You know he is going to opt in for next year for $18M+
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:49 am to Not Cooper
quote:
y on earth would the Bulls make that trade? Thats two productive players for 4 guys who do absolutely nothing and a first somewhere around 18.
Do you read other sites, or do you just wing it? Mirotic wants to be traded, the Bulls want a first in return. Bulls are interested in trading Grant. They like Dunn, and they want to see what Payne can do as backup PG. Who do you think will give the Bulls a higher 1st?
Let me fall in with the thinking on this board, get Dinwiddie (even though the Nets have no reason whatsoever to trade him). He's young, productive, and on a cheap contract. The Nets are collecting young players after loosing all of their recent picks. Why would they trade him? Why does anyone think they would?
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:58 am to PelicansBay
quote:
Let me fall in with the thinking on this boarde
Don't mind the haters. All opinions are good as long as they're well thought out.
quote:
Why would they trade him?
Despite adding guys like Russel and Okafor, the Nets get their 1st back next year and should tank. Those 2 are young enough to be part of a rebuild. The last thing they should do is go forward with this as their foundation and only have picks in the 8-12 range to add to it. They'll become the Orlando Magic taking that road.
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 11:59 am
Posted on 1/25/18 at 12:03 pm to PelicansBay
quote:
et me fall in with the thinking on this board, get Dinwiddie (even though the Nets have no reason whatsoever to trade him). He's young, productive, and on a cheap contract. The Nets are collecting young players after loosing all of their recent picks. Why would they trade him? Why does anyone think they would?
The thing with Dinwiddie is he is young and on a cheap contract. That is a valuable asset for this season and next season to teams that want to win. The Nets don't need to play well next season though. The Nets need to get a star and the only way they are going to do that is by losing next season and getting a high draft pick or striking it rich with a later pick this summer.
So they can keep Dinwiddie and forego the draft picks he could fetch, get a worse pick next year and hope to sign a star in the 2019 offseason when him and Russell will get big deals. I think the Nets offer the $44M or whatever they can on the extension and if he declines, then they will consider moving him.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 12:08 pm to NOFOX
quote:
Ty Lue confirms Tristan Thompson will replace Jae Crowder in the starting lineup. Dave McMenamin
@mcten
They are going to tank Crowder's value. He is going to revert back to playing better once he is in a better environment and be a great value again.
Everything the Cavs touch turns to shite right now.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 12:12 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
Despite adding guys like Russel and Okafor, the Nets get their 1st back next year and should tank. Those 2 are young enough to be part of a rebuild. The last thing they should do is go forward with this as their foundation and only have picks in the 8-12 range to add to it. They'll become the Orlando Magic taking that road.
The Nets don't have their pick this year, that goes to the Cavs. They have no incentive to tank this year. For next year, they have Dinwiddie, Russell, and Hollis-Jefferson to build around. Okafor sucks to this point, Jarrett Allen is the better prospect currently.
My point is, they'll be awful next year (with or without Dinwiddie). Why not keep Dinwiddie and get a high draft pick?
Posted on 1/25/18 at 12:19 pm to PelicansBay
quote:
My point is, they'll be awful next year (with or without Dinwiddie). Why not keep Dinwiddie and get a high draft pick?
They will be less awful with Dinwiddie. They would also have additional picks to move up if they trade Dinwiddie.
quote:
they have Dinwiddie, Russell, and Hollis-Jefferson to build around.
All need new contracts in 2019. They would have to nail the (later with Dinwiddie on the roster) 2019 pick because a core of Dinwiddie/DLo/RHJ is a recipe for purgatory.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 12:23 pm to PelicansBay
quote:
My point is, they'll be awful next year (with or without Dinwiddie). Why not keep Dinwiddie and get a high draft pick?
While there's no incentive to tank this year, there's also no incentive to win.
What will help a rebuild more, a guy that will be 7-8 years older than the star they hope to draft in 2019 or a 2020 pick and moving up 8-10 spots in the 2018 draft?
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 1/25/18 at 12:31 pm to TigerinATL
Thought this would be useful here. Bobby Marks listing who has what pick based on current standings.
quote:
Bobby Marks @BobbyMarks42 10 minutes ago
Draft Pick Breakdown
ATL (1, 25, 29, 32)
BOS (28)
BKN (27,39)
CHA (10, 54)
CHI (7, 50)
CLE (8, 24)
DAL (4, 34)
DEN (15, 49, 60)
DET (13, 43)
GSW (30)
HOU (53)
IND (19, 48)
LAC (14)
LAL (45)
MEM (6, 36)
MIA (no picks)
MIL (46)
MIN (23,55)
NOP (21)
NYK (12,38,44)
OKC (52,58)
ORL (1,33)
PHI (9, 17, 37, 42, 47, 59)
PHX (5, 16, 22, 35, 40, 57)
POR (18)
SAS (26,36)
SAC (3, 31)
TOR (no picks)
UTH (11, 41)
WAS (20, 51)
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