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re: Official 2018 Pelicans Offseason Thread
Posted on 6/27/18 at 10:47 am to DeionDeion
Posted on 6/27/18 at 10:47 am to DeionDeion
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Gortat was a big locker room problem for them. This move could just be about getting him out of the door. Also if I'm the Wizards I'd look at grabbing D12 or maybe even Nerlens Noel on the cheap before trading for Boogie.
I just do not see Noel taking $5M/yr one summer after rejecting $17M/yr. I know he won't get close to that money, but I think several teams still believe in him that can offer more than WAS.
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Posted on 6/27/18 at 10:49 am to DeionDeion
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In my mind, the only teams Boogie would agree to in a S&T is WAS, MIL, LAL, or DAL.
I would probably add MIA and LAC to that mix while removing MIL.
Posted on 6/27/18 at 11:07 am to NOFOX
well from a Boogie point of view I think he'd approve a trade to any of those 6 teams.
From MIL point of view I don't think they go for it esp with their Jabari situation. Idk about LAC since they just acquired Gortat, but it could still happen if a lot of other dominos fall. And it looks like the Lakers have bigger fish to fry deciding between Leonard, LBJ, & PG13.
and from a Pels point of view I wouldnt S&T with DAL or MIA. If he wants to go there, let him walk
So WAS looks to be the best overall candidate for a S&T, with the LAC as the next best option, albeit a lot of things need to happen
From MIL point of view I don't think they go for it esp with their Jabari situation. Idk about LAC since they just acquired Gortat, but it could still happen if a lot of other dominos fall. And it looks like the Lakers have bigger fish to fry deciding between Leonard, LBJ, & PG13.
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pressure is mounting for the Lakers front office to execute a trade with the San Antonio Spurs to acquire disgruntled All-NBA forward Kawhi Leonard, league sources told ESPN.
and from a Pels point of view I wouldnt S&T with DAL or MIA. If he wants to go there, let him walk
So WAS looks to be the best overall candidate for a S&T, with the LAC as the next best option, albeit a lot of things need to happen
This post was edited on 6/27/18 at 11:18 am
Posted on 6/27/18 at 11:14 am to DeionDeion
If in the event we S&T Boogie to Washington for Porter and Sato as Deion proposed would you guys then do this deal...?
Moore and a future pick for Vucevic and Iwundu?
Then re-sign Rondo and then sign Stephenson to vet min deal
So, with Deion's deal..
Rondo / Satoransky / Jackson
Holiday / Moore / Stephenson
Porter / Miller / Iwundu
Davis / Mirotic / Diallo
Vucevic / Dedmon / Okafor
ETA: Forgot Hill was in the first trade, so back to the drawing board...
Moore and a future pick for Vucevic and Iwundu?
Then re-sign Rondo and then sign Stephenson to vet min deal
So, with Deion's deal..
Rondo / Satoransky / Jackson
Holiday / Moore / Stephenson
Porter / Miller / Iwundu
Davis / Mirotic / Diallo
Vucevic / Dedmon / Okafor
ETA: Forgot Hill was in the first trade, so back to the drawing board...
This post was edited on 6/27/18 at 11:26 am
Posted on 6/27/18 at 11:17 am to TigerinATL
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Was among the first things I thought of, but Wiz are already over the apron so any s-and-t will be very tricky
BI has their total commitments for the upcoming season at 124.8 for 11 salaries, so I guess they are right at the apron. If Boogie signs for 25 in the first year, that could actually bring them below the apron by about 3-4 mil (if they ship out both Porter and Sato).
Posted on 6/27/18 at 11:20 am to BallHawk
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Hill and a future pick for Vucevic and Iwundu?
I don't want Vucevic. Ideally, I'd want Davis and Mirotic to play the vast majority of the 4/5 minutes, with Dedmon getting the other 20 or so minutes there.
Posted on 6/27/18 at 11:21 am to DeionDeion
quote:
Gortat was a big locker room problem for them. This move could just be about getting him out of the door. Also if I'm the Wizards I'd look at grabbing D12 or maybe even Nerlens Noel on the cheap before trading for Boogie.
They can actually save money on their tax bill with a Boogie trade, while they'd be adding tax money with a signing of Dwight or Noel.
Posted on 6/27/18 at 11:23 am to Epic Cajun
All's well anyway...I forgot Deion had Hill in the first trade...
Posted on 6/27/18 at 11:26 am to DeionDeion
quote:
From MIL point of view I don't think they go for it esp with their Jabari situation.
I don't think Boogie would agree to go to MIL for non-basketball reasons. I don't think MIL gives up Middelton for Boogie either, but I was just talking about teams that he would agree to join in a S&T.
I don't think the Lakers have any interest in Boogie. They are thinking long term and Magic is not going to screw up his books with a Boogie contract. If the Lakers only sign one star this offseason, then they are likely going to re-sign Randle and add role players on oversized 1 year contracts like they did with KCP while positioning themselves to move Deng to open up max space next offseason.
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and from a Pels point of view I wouldnt S&T with DAL or MIA.
I would pay DAL a 2nd and cash to give us the trade exception in a heartbeat. From MIA, I would love a Josh Richardson & Kelly Olynyk S&T, but I think they have to move Whiteside if they were to have interest in Boogie.
I do agree that WAS makes the most sense for a S&T to happen.
Posted on 6/27/18 at 11:32 am to BallHawk
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BallHawk
it gets tricky because Boogie only counts as $18 mil in outgoing salary, Porter has a 15% trade kicker raising his incoming salary about $3 mil, and WAS is on the luxury tax line. we need a 3rd team to make it all work.
that why I added Solo, Ajinca, & Mahinmi to the proposed trade. both WAS and NOP need to shed salary for this to work.
So to answer your question, in this hypothetical scenario, both Hill and our future 1st will have already been used in the Boogie S&T. And the only way to add to the roster is through FA. And after signing Rondo we'd be $6-8 mil below the luxury tax. (again this is all in the hypothetical realm)
EDIT: Just saw your edit Ballhawk
This post was edited on 6/27/18 at 11:40 am
Posted on 6/27/18 at 11:34 am to Epic Cajun
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I don't want Vucevic. Ideally, I'd want Davis and Mirotic to play the vast majority of the 4/5 minutes, with Dedmon getting the other 20 or so minutes there.
I agree. There is no need to have a C on the roster that makes more than taxpayer MLE, but I want Muscala over Dedmon:
Pels In: Porter, Sato, Muscala
Pels Out: Boogie, Hill, 2019 2nd
WAS In: Boogie ($28M), Hill
WAS Out: Porter, Sato, Mahinimi
ATL in: Mahinimi, 2019 WAS 1st, 2019 Pels 2nd
ATL Out: Muscala
This post was edited on 6/27/18 at 11:44 am
Posted on 6/27/18 at 11:47 am to NOFOX
I've got a total man-crush on Dedmon, especially as a fit for the Pels. I like Muscala don't get me wrong, but his skill set is similar to Niko and plays more outside than inside.
Dedmon on the other hand gives you a much more versatility & can protect AD. Big body, shot blocker, defensive anchor, solid rebounder, solid PnR player, and can step back and hit the 3.
Dedmon on the other hand gives you a much more versatility & can protect AD. Big body, shot blocker, defensive anchor, solid rebounder, solid PnR player, and can step back and hit the 3.
Posted on 6/27/18 at 11:57 am to DeionDeion
What do you guys think of Okafor as AD's body armor? He's old but looks like he's in great shape. Was him falling out of the rotation about playoff basketball vs. the regular season grind?
Posted on 6/27/18 at 12:02 pm to TigerinATL
need a center for 82 games
don’t need a center for the next 16
don’t need a center for the next 16
Posted on 6/27/18 at 12:28 pm to DeionDeion
quote:
I've got a total man-crush on Dedmon, especially as a fit for the Pels. I like Muscala don't get me wrong, but his skill set is similar to Niko and plays more outside than inside.
Dedmon on the other hand gives you a much more versatility & can protect AD. Big body, shot blocker, defensive anchor, solid rebounder, solid PnR player, and can step back and hit the 3.
Muscala is Niko + 20 lbs and Niko/AD fit like a glove. I like Dedmond and he provides the traditional C role (rebounding, better defense, more rim protection), but Muscala has a much better shooting stroke which provides better spacing and he has handles to drive and dunk on pump fakes and off picks. With a little work he can also bring the ball up off a rebound to push the pace like Niko. He is an underrated defender with better agility to guard on the perimeter and saves $1M+ this season while being more likely to stay on a cheaper deal.
Overall I think Dedmon provides better interior defense and much better rebounding, but Muscala opens up the offense much more being able to make contested threes and handle the ball. I also think he might be better guarding the perimeter on switches, but will just not do as well against the strong centers (but willing to take the beating). He also provides protection/leverage against Niko leaving next offseason.
This post was edited on 6/27/18 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 6/27/18 at 12:44 pm to NOFOX
A Porter S&T is fun to dream about.
Posted on 6/27/18 at 1:49 pm to NOFOX
Solid argument FOX. Can't say I really disagree with anything you said. Ultimately the decision between the 2 comes down between better defense or better offense. And you believe that Muscala can eventually provide more defense than Dedmon can provide offense. Fair point
I've always been wary of adding players with similar skill-sets to teams, with the exception being shooting & defending. I still like the idea that Dedmon would be the enforcer for AD and allow up to control the glass, but with your argument you've convinced me that Muscala isnt a bad option either
I've always been wary of adding players with similar skill-sets to teams, with the exception being shooting & defending. I still like the idea that Dedmon would be the enforcer for AD and allow up to control the glass, but with your argument you've convinced me that Muscala isnt a bad option either
Posted on 6/27/18 at 2:03 pm to DeionDeion
Some other news and notes:
Mavs rescind QO for Doug McDermott to free up more potential cap space to chase a big-time target.
Hawks will not extend a QO to Malcolm Delaney
Lakers extend QO to Julius Randle (expected)
Cavs extend QO to Rodney Hood (also expected)
Mavs rescind QO for Doug McDermott to free up more potential cap space to chase a big-time target.
Hawks will not extend a QO to Malcolm Delaney
Lakers extend QO to Julius Randle (expected)
Cavs extend QO to Rodney Hood (also expected)
Posted on 6/27/18 at 3:07 pm to BallHawk
Cooke not tendered by pels now UFA
Posted on 6/27/18 at 3:42 pm to cgrand
Willing to bet Carr will be a two-way contract
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