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re: New Orleans Pelicans are willing to part ways with Brandon Ingram in hopes of getting Dame
Posted on 6/28/21 at 1:12 pm to TotesMcGotes
Posted on 6/28/21 at 1:12 pm to TotesMcGotes
quote:
I think they can figure out a way to keep BI and still get Dame.
then i'm down
my protests in this thread are giving up BI + young player + multiple 1st rounder/draft capital. that's too much
Posted on 6/28/21 at 1:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
that's too much
Unless we thought that Dame coming here would immediately put us in championship contention, then I agree
Posted on 6/28/21 at 1:33 pm to NolaTiger52
yeah that's a summary of my argument. i don't think it gets us there
Posted on 6/28/21 at 1:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
my protests in this thread are giving up BI + young player + multiple 1st rounder/draft capital. that's too much
I tend to agree.
BI/#10/Kira/3 more firsts is more than what Brooklyn gave up for Harden, and we should be looking at something of similar value. the 3 firsts are equal to what Brooklyn gave up, but BI/Kira/#10 is better than Allen/LeVert.
I still say it would likely take
BI/#10/#35/Kira/4 firsts to make it happen.
I also think Portland could send CJ somewhere to get more assets, like sending him to Dallas for Porzingis, and they could probably get a 1st back doing that, and could easily go get Sexton for Kira and #10, or Kira and 2 later firsts.
Sexton
Simons
BI
Porzingis
Nurkic
That's not a bad team.....offensively.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 2:05 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
Sexton
Simons
BI
Porzingis
Nurkic
That's not a bad team.....offensively.
But why would they want to do that? They’ve been in basketball purgatory for years and years. Now they’re going to sell their fans on a worse team without their superstar?
At that point, it’s easier to sell nuking the roster than putting out that group.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 2:15 pm to TotesMcGotes
Do you think Portland fans would'nt be happy with a team that consistently makes the playoffs? You think they'd rather just suck royally for a few years in hopes they can draft another Lillard?
The Pacers are a similar team, in that their fans will enjoy a playoff caliber team year in and year out, knowing they will likely never win a championship.
The Pacers are a similar team, in that their fans will enjoy a playoff caliber team year in and year out, knowing they will likely never win a championship.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 2:18 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:That feels like a lot fo money tied up in those 4 dudes. I think just those 4 alone would take you over the cap once Sexton gets his deal, right?
Sexton
Simons
BI
Porzingis
Nurkic
Posted on 6/28/21 at 2:22 pm to shel311
my point was more that Portland could still field a roster that could win 45 games, while having a ton of assets to still work with for the future. I wasn't salary cap watching, and i usually do that.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 2:24 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
Sexton
Simons
BI
Porzingis
Nurkic
Man this looks like the cast for the next suicide squad movie lol. I would never wish that on BI
Posted on 6/28/21 at 3:15 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
Do you think Portland fans would'nt be happy with a team that consistently makes the playoffs?
1. I don't think that team consistently makes the playoffs.
2. I don't think Portland fans would be cool with consistently making the playoffs. That's what they do now.
From our perspective, consistently making the playoffs seems fantastic. From their perspective, it's a failure. They've made the playoffs for 8 straight years. That's not the measuring line for success for their fans anymore.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 3:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
Dame and Zion gets you to the playoffs. Someone else is needed to win some series.
BI and the 10th pick and 1-2 1sts for Dame? Sure.
#10 and Kira/Naw &/or Jax and 4-5 future 1sts? Yeah Boy!
BI and (Kira/NAW &/or Jax) and #10 and 4-5 future1sts? Ehhh, probably not.
We need to have either Dame, Zion and BI teamed up or have enough assets to bring in another top level guy to pair with Dame and Zion.
BI and the 10th pick and 1-2 1sts for Dame? Sure.
#10 and Kira/Naw &/or Jax and 4-5 future 1sts? Yeah Boy!
BI and (Kira/NAW &/or Jax) and #10 and 4-5 future1sts? Ehhh, probably not.
We need to have either Dame, Zion and BI teamed up or have enough assets to bring in another top level guy to pair with Dame and Zion.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 3:29 pm to Suntiger
quote:
Dame and Zion gets you to the playoffs. Someone else is needed to win some series.
what are we signing and trading ball for?
Posted on 6/28/21 at 3:31 pm to Suntiger
quote:I think if NAW got consistent run, he could average in the upper teens, and maybe even flirt with 20.
Dame and Zion gets you to the playoffs. Someone else is needed to win some series.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 3:31 pm to Chad504boy
quote:Unless Zo has to be part of the trade for Dame, if we get Dame, it becomes much more imperative to sign and keep Zo.
what are we signing and trading ball for?
Posted on 6/28/21 at 4:32 pm to shel311
quote:
it becomes much more imperative to sign and keep Zo.
This x1000
"Hey Zion, we want you to play with the guys you like and show you that we can compete by getting Dame and keeping Lonzo"
Lonzo and Dame both hitting from 3 on the same night is game over. And Lonzo would get that many more catch and shoot 3s working off ball from dame/z pnr.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 4:33 pm to shel311
We aren't going to make a draft night trade that involves a S&T of Lonzo. I don't even think it's possible b/c it would mean the opposing team had conversations with Lonzo before FA opened up.
The draft is 7/29. FA starts on 8/3.
The draft is 7/29. FA starts on 8/3.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 4:39 pm to TeddyPadillac
I heard Kushner on the radio advocating giving up Ingram plus basically every single asset we have. Seemed a tad high there breh
Posted on 6/28/21 at 4:42 pm to BilJ
Even Mike fricking Greenberg of all people said today that New Orleans and Zion should be the place Dame should want to go win a title with OVER THE KNICKS
Posted on 6/28/21 at 4:52 pm to Epic Cajun
Something else nobody has really mentioned. If you deal for Dame and keep NAW, imagine NAW learning from Dame for 4-5 years. The league might very well be fricked for the next 12 years.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 5:01 pm to 3PieceSpicy
quote:
If you deal for Dame and keep NAW, imagine NAW learning from Dame for 4-5 years. The league might very well be fricked for the next 12 years.
You're definitely dealing BI.
The best most feasible option is trading BI and keeping NAW and Jax. Trade Kira and 10 to them so they have younger pieces to help tank while BI puts up Beal numbers.
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