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re: New Orleans Pelicans are willing to part ways with Brandon Ingram in hopes of getting Dame
Posted on 6/28/21 at 9:36 am to Pelefraan 1
Posted on 6/28/21 at 9:36 am to Pelefraan 1
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You think Portland are going to be happy with Adams and Bledsoe as salary filler?
If they’re getting up to 9 picks? Yes.
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Posted on 6/28/21 at 9:36 am to Epic Cajun
Stings when we were a coin flip away from Halliburton. Just hope we can get lucky in the draft and find guys like Mann, Quickley, Pritchard or hope Kira Lewis develops even more.
This post was edited on 6/28/21 at 9:39 am
Posted on 6/28/21 at 9:38 am to TotesMcGotes
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If they’re getting up to 9 picks? Yes.
Yeah ok
Posted on 6/28/21 at 9:42 am to jmcwhrter
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Ingram was "bad in the crunch time" because defenses would key on him in crunch time. Teams tighten up in the 4th quarter, double team Ingram, pack the paint on Zion, and dare us to beat them with ANYONE else on the roster. As we saw more times than I can remember last year, we looked great for 3 quarters and then suck in the 4th.
yeah. That's called NBA regular season basketball. You realize the post season is like that for almost the entire game, not just the last 5 minutes?
You don't just all of a sudden become someone who's great in crunch time. Either you can do it or you can't. Of course you can get better at it, but its more a mentality than anything. You can see BI forcing it. He wants to be that guy, but he's putting way too much pressure on himself to get it done. He has the skill set to be a good closer. What he needs to do is trust his teammates more, get a coach that can put him in better positions, and simply take better shots. Taking off balance jumper from just inside the 3 point line isn't a good shot. Him getting to the elbow and taking a jump shot from there, regardless if someone puts a hand in his face is a pretty good shot usually.
BI wasn't getting doubled in the crunch, they were just forcing him to take contested jumpers and clogging the lane, and he didn't make many of them.
Did you ever see us try to run a set play to get a mismatch for BI or Zion and give them the ball in the post in crunch time? nah, we just gave it to them and let them go iso ball more often than not. All NBA offenses do is try to get a mismatch for guys that can exploit it, but you rarely see us do that. We just go iso ball without any other movement and try to beat the original defender instead of trying to get a switch to a weaker defender.
I mean that all screams a simple screen from Zion for BI. If they switch, then BI needs to read the defense and do what's best. If they sell out to Zion, then you have to get by the bigger defender, or if the bigger defender leaves you, you have to hit the open 3. That is what will happen more often than not, as teams aren't going to take the chance with Zion posting up a smaller defender.
Now imagine that with Lillard instead of BI? who the hell is going to stop that?
Posted on 6/28/21 at 9:47 am to TeddyPadillac
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You don't just all of a sudden become someone who's great in crunch time.
the stats may have changed, but there has been one historical "clutch" guy and that's freaking Carmelo of all people
clutch is based mostly in fans perception and then they Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy the stats to make their guy bad/good in clutch situations
Ingram isn't even 24 years old yet and his most competent coach has been Alvin Gentry. think about that
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Now imagine that with Lillard instead of BI? who the hell is going to stop that?
but without BI, we'll improve enough to fix those issues and make the playoffs, but we will be a quick out...for 2, maybe 3 years
Posted on 6/28/21 at 9:49 am to Epic Cajun
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Neither which are at the level of Dame, or even close to it really.
SGA + BI + Zion > Lillard + Zion without question
Sexton + BI + Zion is likely > Lillard + Zion
esp if we keep Zo
I'm not a huge Sexton-stan and don't think we'd be a title contender, but we'd have a much better starting 5 with he and Ingram still here
Posted on 6/28/21 at 9:49 am to Jar_Jar_80
quote:Whoa whoa whoa
Dame has never played with a player the cailber of Zion. Dude took a team with CJ as the 2nd best player to a WCF and the last 2 years a team with the corpse of Melo playing major minutes to the playoffs. You really think he feels like playing with freaking Zion would be a worse team than what he has in Portland.
I love some of the thinking I see here in one post it's "Zion is a generational talent that we could not lose or it's the death of the franchise.
My post had nothing to do with that. It was simply pointing out that Dame still actually has leverage. Technically he's completely at the mercy of Portland but in reality, that's not the case.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 9:53 am to Bronc
quote:The comparison is 100% relevant. I notice that you tend to not look at facts or history, but moreso what you want to believe.
Lillard hasn’t earned a reputation as a toxic locker-room malcontent and playoff under achiever.
Harden suppressed his market because other teams didn’t think he was worth the trouble.
Lillard doesn’t have that rep and so far hasn’t gone that route, the comparison doesn’t hold up.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 9:53 am to BurreauxAndCeaux
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I can assure you we will not be in market for a big name like that…
Posted on 6/28/21 at 9:56 am to Bronc
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This post was edited on 6/28/21 at 10:00 am
Posted on 6/28/21 at 9:57 am to Bronc
quote:Say it with me - you are wrong! The stars in the NBA have all the leverage.
Say, it, With, Me.
4 year contract.
Lillard has minimal leverage if he asks out.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 9:59 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:You can be more than "slightly improved" and fall a lot of spots between top 3 and out of the playoffs.
it isn't enough to go from "out of the playoffs" to "top 3 seed" level
quote:You don't know you're getting a decade with BI. As of now we have 4 more years of BI, and it would be a bad idea IMO to make decisions right now based on having BI for anything more than 4 years.
and you get that window for MAYBE 3 years when you get it for almost a decade with BI
Posted on 6/28/21 at 10:04 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Are you assuming zero growth for Zion?
but without BI, we'll improve enough to fix those issues and make the playoffs, but we will be a quick out...for 2, maybe 3 years
Why would a team with 2 top 10 dudes, and potentially 1 top 10 and 1 top 5 dude be a "quick out" every year in the playoffs?
Posted on 6/28/21 at 10:09 am to shel311
Again, I feel like people in this thread are greatly under appreciating how damn good Dame is and how damn good Zion is. It was actually suggested that having Collin Sexton and BI is better than having Dame. I feel like I am taking crazy pills.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 10:14 am to shel311
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My post had nothing to do with that. It was simply pointing out that Dame still actually has leverage. Technically he's completely at the mercy of Portland but in reality, that's not the case.
My fault misunderstood your post.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 10:15 am to ThePistol
I think it's all pretty irrelevant. If I'm Portland then Simmons, Maxey, Picks is the most attractive package. If I'm Philly getting Dame back is the best return for Simmons you'll find.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 10:16 am to NOSHAU
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Say it with me - you are wrong! The stars in the NBA have all the leverage.
Y’all keep trying to say this but it ain’t true in this situation.
4 year contract and aged 30.
He can try to poison the market by giving a list of teams, make empty threats like retiring or refusing to play, but the vast majority of interested teams aren’t going to be deterred. Lillard ain’t leaving 200 mil on the table and if he’s demanding out for winning purposes he’s not going to refuse to play if the team he goes to can be competitive with him.
Portland has zero incentive to give him his preferred landing spot and artificially handicap themselves.
If Lillard wants out he is not going to be able to pick his landing spot, end of story.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 10:17 am to TeddyPadillac
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Did you ever see us try to run a set play to get a mismatch for BI or Zion and give them the ball in the post in crunch time? nah, we just gave it to them and let them go iso ball more often than not.
One of the reasons why SVG got fired. Ingram even came out and said something about this.
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Now imagine that with Lillard instead of BI? who the hell is going to stop that?
You’re comparing a guard who has years in the NBA to a SF who didn’t even hit his prime yet. I tend to think that finding a guard is easier than to finding a SF. They might not be great like lillard, but they don’t need to be with 2 stars on their team. Ingram is very coachable and always looking to improve.
By the way it’s not Ingram for Lillard straight up. I think anyone will agree with you that if that was the offer you say yes.
It’s Ingram, Kira and probably 9 firsts that is scary. The lakers picks are getting better especially with an injury prone AD, a 38 year old Lebron, and 10 of their players being free agents this year in a weak market. Plus they are looking to add Carmelo to their team which is even better for us. They’re probably stuck having to pay with Schroeder also who isn’t a good PnR player.
This post was edited on 6/28/21 at 10:24 am
Posted on 6/28/21 at 10:22 am to shel311
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Why would a team with 2 top 10 dudes, and potentially 1 top 10 and 1 top 5 dude be a "quick out" every year in the playoffs?
we would have major roster issues unless we spent more and got Covington back. somebody posted the salaries earlier and we'd maybe get 1 MLE and we'd be at the tax
Lillard
Ball
Roco
Zion
Hayes
with no real bench except NAW. without injuries that's a playoff team but we'd need both LA franchises to melt down to be confident in saying Western Conference contenders (i mean to move up the pecking order that quickly). and that's projecting Lillard at THIS level, which has an unclear time length remaining
Posted on 6/28/21 at 10:23 am to Brettesaurus Rex
It’s going to be amazing watching this board and Twitter hype Dame to the Pels allllll off-season just for it to crash and burn and he go absolutely nowhere
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