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re: NBA Offseason officially kicks off, Ingram’s days in NOLA coming to an end per Stein
Posted on 6/25/24 at 10:34 am to NOSHAU
Posted on 6/25/24 at 10:34 am to NOSHAU
Thanks for pulling that NOSHAU. I feel like it’s more of a matter of needing to sell him the opportunity. Aka, playing with Zion and role players. But still could definitely be an additional hurdle.
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Posted on 6/25/24 at 10:41 am to PELsu
quote:Yeah, could be just a preference (as East is easier to get noticed).
Thanks for pulling that NOSHAU. I feel like it’s more of a matter of needing to sell him the opportunity. Aka, playing with Zion and role players. But still could definitely be an additional hurdle.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 10:46 am to Soggymoss
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Kessler>=Jonas, Starter Trey>BI in our starting lineup as shown last season. Collins>Nance so we get better at the backup 5 spot, and Barnes/Huerter replace Trey’s scoring on the bench. I can’t fathom how that is a worse team.
Kessler is absolutely not better than Jonas. He's a better rim protector, but Jonas is miles ahead in most other categories.
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Starter Trey>BI in our starting lineup as shown last season.
In most of those games, he was starting WITH BI not in BI's spot. Trey is a spot-up shooter and our offense will take a step back without BI's creation. Sure, Trey put up big numbers as we slipped from the 4 seed to the play-in while he started. We went 7-3 in the 10 games before BI got injured, then went sub-.500 the rest of the way.
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Collins>Nance
Is he really, though?
John Collins v. Larry Nance
Posted on 6/25/24 at 10:48 am to Soggymoss
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don’t take a step back
This is the part you're missing. That trade you proposed is a step back.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 10:49 am to Soggymoss
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So you would give up BI PLUS 2 picks and not get a guy back that’s even close to BI’s value? That would be an absolutely disaster of a trade for Pels, not to mention wouldn’t work salary
Soggy Idk what you are on about.
Murray isn't close to BI's value? There was an argument a few days ago that fans would attach Dyson to get that deal done.
You think Kessler isn't worth #21/ shitty 25' 1st/ and Nance????
Utah is talking about taking #29 and #32 for a #21 type deal.
But you think #21 + 25' 1st (which should be mid 20's) is some sacred valued package in return for a young proven rim protector?
This post was edited on 6/25/24 at 10:50 am
Posted on 6/25/24 at 10:50 am to Jester
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Kessler is absolutely not better than Jonas. He's a better rim protector, but Jonas is miles ahead in most other categories.
Kessler is a WAY better Rim Protector, which we do need bad.
But Jonas is way better FT shooter, scorer, etc. People are going to be very frustrated by Kessler on offense and at the line.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 10:51 am to Dantheman504
Fans that value mid 20's picks > Kessler/ keeping Dyson/ keeping Hawk will just never get it.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 10:51 am to Jester
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Kessler is absolutely not better than Jonas. He's a better rim protector, but Jonas is miles ahead in most other categories.
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That trade you proposed is a step back.
You’re pulling shite out of your arse again.
This post was edited on 6/25/24 at 11:15 am
Posted on 6/25/24 at 10:54 am to Fun Bunch
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Kessler is a WAY better Rim Protector, which we do need bad.
But Jonas is way better FT shooter, scorer, etc. People are going to be very frustrated by Kessler on offense and at the line.
Agreed. But Kessler is the type of guy we need. If we are relying on his scoring to be successful then we already failed at that point.
It's also a move that helps continue to build. It's a lot easier to take chances on Karlo's/ Hayes/ etc when you already have a Kessler type guy.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 10:55 am to Jester
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In most of those games, he was starting WITH BI not in BI's spot
Ummm, he started 4 games with BI minus Zion this season, 13 with Zion minus BI…
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He's a better rim protector, but Jonas is miles ahead in most other categories
Please explain. Kessler is a better defender, slightly better rebounder, runs the floor better. Jonas is a better center offensively, but that’s about it.
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Is he really, though?
Yes and what you posted shows it. Collins better shot blocker, better rebounder and better shooter….
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There was an argument a few days ago that fans would attach Dyson to get that deal done.
Ummm yeah, the argument was adding Dyson to get Trae or Atlanta to add Okongwu… There’s not a single person that said trade BI and Dyson for Murray dude, stop trying to pull shite out your arse when it comes out naturally.
This post was edited on 6/25/24 at 10:59 am
Posted on 6/25/24 at 10:58 am to Dantheman504
I agree, I want Kessler, but there has to be corresponding moves.
They HAVE to add other scorers to the roster somehow.
They HAVE to add other scorers to the roster somehow.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 11:04 am to Dantheman504
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Agreed. But Kessler is the type of guy we need. If we are relying on his scoring to be successful then we already failed at that point.
Correct.
less shots from the 5 position means more shots from the guys we want shooting. That's they type of 5 you want, unless you have a 5 that can actually shoot 3's.
Kessler would have a FG% in the 70%+ b/c all he's doing is receiving alley oops and dunking put backs, which is all we need from the 5 position.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 11:08 am to Fun Bunch
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They HAVE to add other scorers to the roster somehow.
What do you mean by scorer?
If BI is swapped for Murray:
Murray/ Jose
CJ/ Herb/ Hawk
Trey/ Dyson/ Ryan
Zion/
Unless you are replacing Jose then you essential have Murray/ CJ/ Hawk/ Herb/ Trey.
We don't have room for another "scorer". We need to see wtf we have in Hawkins who is the "scorer" we apparently don't have or need.
There's no more minutes at those positions if we get a PG unless we move 1 of Jose/ Dyson. And still those are our defensive guys while we have Hawk/ CJ/ Trey. Zion is a "scorer" for different reasons and we aren't taking Herb's minutes.
The answer is that Hawk is that "scorer" and CJ is eventually moved. Or Hawk isn't shite, CJ digress, and we get caught in a bad spot...
The only places we can upgrade at "scorer" are PG/ PF/ C.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 11:13 am to Dantheman504
If Herb/ CJ/ Trey all play 30min then you have (54) total min at PG/ SG/ SF.
We have to give Dyson and Hawk 20-25min each to atleast evaluate them.
That's almost all the minutes not including Jose and with Dyson as the only "non shooter".
We don't have the space for another player without losing minutes to guys that already should have more.
We have to give Dyson and Hawk 20-25min each to atleast evaluate them.
That's almost all the minutes not including Jose and with Dyson as the only "non shooter".
We don't have the space for another player without losing minutes to guys that already should have more.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 11:21 am to Dantheman504
CJ - 30 Jose-18
Herb- 30 Hawk- 20
Trey- 30 Dyson- 20
Zion- 30 -14
-30 -18
If you want a shooter then CJ/ Jose have to go. You simply can't trade Hawk for a shooter without letting the dude shoot.
Herb- 30 Hawk- 20
Trey- 30 Dyson- 20
Zion- 30 -14
-30 -18
If you want a shooter then CJ/ Jose have to go. You simply can't trade Hawk for a shooter without letting the dude shoot.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 11:42 am to Fun Bunch
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I agree, I want Kessler, but there has to be corresponding moves.
They HAVE to add other scorers to the roster somehow.
Not just other scorers, we really really need to add shooting from the 4-5 positions. I want us to try our best to give Zion MORE space to operate, not less. Kessler’s fit on the defensive side great in that he can clean up a lot of messes at the rim, although it limits us to playing drop-coverage and Willie has shown that he wants to switch. With Kessler anchoring the defense, it would allow us to get away with going smaller like playing Trey at the 4 when Zion sits.
Kessler on the offensive end with Zion though really worries me. If we get Kessler, it would be really beneficial to go get a big that can shoot some like Wendall Carter.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 11:45 am to Baron
I'll give Mac credit, this one is at least somewhat interesting:
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You would have to convince me a great player is coming back with that trade exception. Duren does not protect the rim, nor shoot. And replacing BI and CJ with Murray would be one hella massive step back.
This post was edited on 6/25/24 at 11:53 am
Posted on 6/25/24 at 11:57 am to Fun Bunch
So BI/ Nance/ (2) trash picks will kill us for Murray/ Kessler
But BI/ CJ for Duren/ Murray/ AJ Griffin is a balanced trade
Hahahahahaha
But BI/ CJ for Duren/ Murray/ AJ Griffin is a balanced trade
Hahahahahaha
This post was edited on 6/25/24 at 11:58 am
Posted on 6/25/24 at 12:00 pm to PELsu
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You would have to convince me a great player is coming back with that trade exception. Duren does not protect the rim, nor shoot. And replacing BI and CJ with Murray would be one hella massive step back.
Agreed. I’m not the biggest Duren fan. A $30m TPE doesn’t do much for me either. Historically we’ve never done much with them. We’d still probably need a 5 and would almost forced to use the TPE to use get one because of our lack of tradable salary
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