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Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:24 am to Dantheman504
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In my scenario they can do that and still maybe keep 1 of the 2
And your scenario is completely fricking stupid because you’re trading for two guys that have a combined value of 3 first round picks at most and giving up Ingram and 2 1sts to do it.
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Bruh they don't want #21, #29, and #32.
What part of they can easily flip 29 and 32 for future picks is hard to comprehend for you? Ainge is an asset collector, he would absolutely jump all over that if he knows he can turn 29 and 32 into future protected 1sts, especially from the second apron tax teams
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And there it is.
There’s no big move currently available, and we cannot go into the season with an expiring BI, so what’s your answer? Hold on to him and have him possibly get injured and be worthless? Or sign him to the max deal he’s looking for and hope for the best?
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Deeper, maybe? Better, absolutely not. You've locked yourself in as a play-in team with that roster.
How are we not better? Kessler is at least as good as Jonas, but is probably better. We were better last season with Trey in the starting lineup than BI, so automatically better there, Collins>Nance so the backup 5 spot is better, Barnes>Naji so the backup 4 spot is better also. Please explain how we are not better after that?
This post was edited on 6/25/24 at 8:29 am
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:24 am to Soggymoss
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It doesn’t seem like Atlanta nor Cleveland is in any rush to make any deal
Cleveland, yes. But, there have been quite a few rumors about Atlanta, it's a forgone conclusion that one of the guards is out this offseason.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:29 am to Soggymoss
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The idea is to get additional trade ammunition along with appealing salaries to make that huge move later.
Don't take this the wrong way, but are you daft man? Cashing out a quarter for dimes is not getting additional trade ammunition. Those far future picks just won't have much value until you get much closer to seeing what they actually are. If a bundle of future picks had that kind of value we'd have Fox now instead of CJ.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:31 am to Epic Cajun
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It doesn’t seem like Atlanta nor Cleveland is in any rush to make any deal
Cleveland, yes. But
Not that Antonio Daniels is a Cleveland insider at all, but I saw a quote from him yesterday where he thought Atkinson's previous relationship with Allen and one other player was one of the reasons he got the job. If there is any truth to that Cleveland might just kick the can until the trade deadline.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:32 am to TigerinATL
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Those far future picks just won't have much value
This is disproven year after year with teams taking on far out picks for star players, but ok.
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If a bundle of future picks had that kind of value we'd have Fox now instead of CJ.
Sacramento was never trading Fox and Halliburton, and they always want to look like they are remaining competitive so they will not go full rebuild mode, which is why they wanted players over picks.
This post was edited on 6/25/24 at 8:33 am
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:36 am to Soggymoss
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Sacramento was never trading Fox and Halliburton
No, they were just trying to trade Fox because the new, at the time, GM didn't have any sunk cost connection to him and wanted to keep Haliburton.
The Pels tried to get Fox. Sac did not want the Pels picks for Fox, they wanted Sabonis. Indy did not want the Pels picks for Sabonis, they wanted Haliburton. So the Pels tried to buy 2 different quarters from different teams with a bunch of dimes and were told to kick rocks.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:37 am to TigerinATL
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Not that Antonio Daniels is a Cleveland insider at all, but I saw a quote from him yesterday where he thought Atkinson's previous relationship with Allen and one other player was one of the reasons he got the job. If there is any truth to that Cleveland might just kick the can until the trade deadline.
Givony mentioned in a Lowe pod from yesterday that the coach's vision of how to win with the current roster played a part in the decision on which coach would be hired in CLE. And they both acted like Bickerstaff was the real issue and that Garland may not ask out, after there were leaked rumors that Klutch was going to ask for a trade if Mitchell extended. Pretty wild how the story on that changed so quickly.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:44 am to TigerinATL
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Sac did not want the Pels picks for Fox, they wanted Sabonis. Indy did not want the Pels picks for Sabonis, they wanted Haliburton. So the Pels tried to buy 2 different quarters from different teams with a bunch of dimes and were told to kick rocks.
Correct, because both of those teams will never go into a rebuild, they would both rather be late lottery-first round exits every single year if it means they don’t tear it down and rebuild. They are probably the only two teams in the league besides us that are that way.
This post was edited on 6/25/24 at 8:47 am
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:46 am to Soggymoss
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What are you talking about? We would be a far deeper and better team with that deal.
The Celtics just coasted to a championship playing 7 guys.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:56 am to TeddyPadillac
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just coasted to a championship playing 7 guys.
Playing a bunch of injured teams.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 9:00 am to TeddyPadillac
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The Celtics just coasted to a championship playing 7 guys.
Yes that’s how the playoffs go, they didn’t play 7 guys to get to the playoffs though.
Depth gets you there, stars win it. Depth and picks gets you those stars when they come available also.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 9:05 am to Soggymoss
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Yes that’s how the playoffs go, they didn’t play 7 guys to get to the playoffs though.
The point i'm making is you don't have a bunch of minutes to give to 10 guys in the playoffs. What's the point of having 10-12 guys that are playoff good?
regular season depth is easy to come by.
Build a playoff roster from the start, with 7-8 guys in mind.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 9:09 am to TeddyPadillac
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Build a playoff roster from the start, with 7-8 guys in mind.
Zion
CJ
Herb
Trey
Kessler
Collins
Barnes
Jose
Not including any additional trades you can make which would be easy with the amount of depth/salary and draft picks you have if you don’t be a pussy and actually pull the trigger on them. Ideally yeah I would love to send BI to Atlanta and get Trae back, but if Atlanta trades Trae they’re going full rebuild. They will want smaller tradeable salaries and draft picks, which is why I say making the move to get those types of assets now with an eye to that move in the future is probably the right move. It’s just not looking like that big move is available right now and I would prefer not to go into the season with an expiring BI, and definitely don’t want to give him an extension.
To me it seems like everyone is having tunnel vision when it comes to a BI trade, but you have to try to look at the moves ahead. Sometimes you have to make a trade that sets you up to make THE trade.
This post was edited on 6/25/24 at 9:17 am
Posted on 6/25/24 at 9:18 am to Soggymoss
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Zion
CJ
Herb
Trey
Kessler
Collins
Barnes
Jose
That's not a team that's winning anything, and would be lucky to get out of the first round.
CJ will be useless if the best perimeter player is guarding him.
Literally all of the playmaking is falling on one guys shoulder, and his only move is to bulldoze into the paint for a contested layup.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 9:21 am to Epic Cajun
If Cleveland is holding off until the season, who does that leave as potential trade partners?
Atlanta and who else?
Philly, Orlando, Utah, ???
Atlanta and who else?
Philly, Orlando, Utah, ???
Posted on 6/25/24 at 9:31 am to TeddyPadillac
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That's not a team that's winning anything, and would be lucky to get out of the first round.
Again, you’re having tunnel vision and not looking at other deals that can be made when you have 10+ tradeable firsts and a shitload of appealing tradeable salary.
There will be a team out there that has traded away everything they have and has zero assets left that at the deadline will say frick it it’s not working we need to rebuild, whether thats Phoenix where Booker shakes loose, Nets where Bridges shakes loose, Philly where Embiid shakes loose, Clips where Kawhi shakes loose, Hawks where Trae shakes loose, someone is going to do it.
If the move is not available which is usually the case in the offseason, set yourself up to make the move.
This post was edited on 6/25/24 at 9:34 am
Posted on 6/25/24 at 9:34 am to Soggymoss
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Zion
CJ
Herb
Trey
Kessler
Collins
Barnes
Jose
I think I might hate this team. The lack of ball handling and playmaking last year wasn’t good enough and this team has even less.
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Ideally yeah I would love to send BI to Atlanta and get Trae back, but if Atlanta trades Trae they’re going full rebuild. They will want smaller tradeable salaries and draft picks, which is why I say making the move to get those types of assets now with an eye to that move in the future is probably the right move. It’s just not looking like that big move is available right now and I would prefer not to go into the season with an expiring BI, and definitely don’t want to give him an extension.
I don’t like this reasoning either. Idk how dumping BI for a bunch of nothing and taking a step back helps us in the future get a player. If we want to reset and go big game hunting next year, we’d be better off resigning BI to a reasonable extension and developing Dyson and Hawk. Having BI, two young promising players, and picks is a better package than expiring contracts and picks
Posted on 6/25/24 at 9:35 am to teke184
I doubt Klutch will sit there quietly once Mitchell signs his extension. I'm sure they'll start to make a lot of noise to force Cleveland to move Garland.
Everything hinges to Mitchell signing an extension so no moves will be made until then.
The same thing is happening with Paul George. No big trades are going to happen until we know what Paul George is going to do. And the domino effect will follow thereafter.
Everything hinges to Mitchell signing an extension so no moves will be made until then.
The same thing is happening with Paul George. No big trades are going to happen until we know what Paul George is going to do. And the domino effect will follow thereafter.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 9:38 am to Baron
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Idk how dumping BI for a bunch of nothing and taking a step back helps us in the future get a player.
Teams having to trade away star players don’t want to get good players back. They want draft picks to rebuild or young players along with expiring or almost expiring contracts. Doing that deal gives you those contracts, the draft picks, and still leaves you with plenty of young players to add with having Hawk, Jose, Dillingham, Kessler and even Trey or Herb if you absolutely have to for that superstar like a Booker.
This post was edited on 6/25/24 at 9:40 am
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