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re: NBA Offseason officially kicks off, Ingram’s days in NOLA coming to an end per Stein
Posted on 6/21/24 at 2:30 pm to Balsamic_duck
Posted on 6/21/24 at 2:30 pm to Balsamic_duck
quote:And also has a tendecy to significantly overpay for big men that do not fit with Zion.
It's peak David Griffin asset mismanagement. Hoard assets until they lose almost all their value and try to buy when your leverage is at an all time low.
Griff buys high and sells low.
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Posted on 6/21/24 at 2:34 pm to saints5021
quote:Huh? So why did he not have his way? The talk was that he did not want to part with BI but wanted to make the deal pick centric.
Well, if Griffin had his way, we would have traded Ingram for Scoot last year.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 2:36 pm to Soggymoss
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How can this not be argued??? Herb was arguably a lesser shooter his first 2 years and Dyson had several games where he shot 2/3 3/4 2/5 from 3pt.....
Herb is not an elite scorer, and if you think he is, wooo boy.
Wtf does that have to do with anything I said? Why would you think I said that? We were talking about Dyson being a starter. You used the reason "his offense" as to why you don't think he will get there.
You then said Herb (who is a starter) is (NOT an elite offensive player).
So Herb was a bad offensive player who still isn't elite on offense and is a starter.
But Dyson who is (2) years younger than Herb's rookie year is also a bad offensive player and has a slim chance of becoming a starter?
Do yall even realize the shite y'all are arguing?
Posted on 6/21/24 at 2:40 pm to Dantheman504
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Do yall even realize the shite y'all are arguing?
Do you? Because this is LITERALLY what I said.
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Dyson’s best role is the role of the guy you’re likening to him, and that’s Herb. A 10-13 ppg starting defensive guard. The problem is we already have Herb and don’t need a 2nd one as a 6th man, hence why Dyson will never be more than a 7th-8th man here. Don’t understand what you find so controversial about this.
Why can’t you read whole posts? Or at least stop trying to cherry pick small snippets to think you’re making an argument. We have Herb, we don’t need Herb the 2nd, and we damn sure can’t have Dyson in the starting 5 with Herb because we would be severely limited offensively.
And then if you trade for Murray what’s your plan? Starting Murray, Herb, Dyson, Trey and Zion?
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 6/21/24 at 2:45 pm to Soggymoss
Well the obvious point would be that EVERY NBA team wants Herb and wants someone like Herb.
And we have (2).
Yet y'all want to just give 1 away because we already have 1? For the hell of it?
And then the fact of knowing that info and y'all still having low trade value for him is crazy.
Is he a little Herb or is he someone that will never be more than a bench player?
If he's a little Herb then why do y'all view his trade value so low?
We don't want to trade Herb but if we had (2) just ship him out?
I can't wrap my head around all that.
And we have (2).
Yet y'all want to just give 1 away because we already have 1? For the hell of it?
And then the fact of knowing that info and y'all still having low trade value for him is crazy.
Is he a little Herb or is he someone that will never be more than a bench player?
If he's a little Herb then why do y'all view his trade value so low?
We don't want to trade Herb but if we had (2) just ship him out?
I can't wrap my head around all that.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 2:46 pm to Soggymoss
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I wouldn’t give up Hawk, I see him as a future 6th man of the year contender. Dyson I would trade in a heartbeat
Man, I think that Dyson is a future DPOY, and there's a decent chance that Hawk only becomes a guy who can score but gives it all back on the other end and never really contributes to winning basketball.
I think that Dyson has way more value than Hawk.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 2:49 pm to Soggymoss
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Why can’t you read whole posts? Or at least stop trying to cherry pick small snippets
I've literally held strong on (1) point and argument only the entire time hahaha.
You have contradicted yourself to the point that I'm legit confused
Posted on 6/21/24 at 3:01 pm to GOP_Tiger
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I think that Dyson has way more value than Hawk.
I never said he doesn’t, but seriously what is Dyson’s ceiling on this team? We cannot have him starting because of his offensive limitations unless we send out Herb or bring Herb off the bench, so what is Dyson’s ceiling here?
7th man, plain and simple. He’s to offensively limited that we cannot start him next to Herb, and we cannot have a defensive first guy as our spark plug off the bench, which is what I see Hawk as. That is my reasoning for selling Dyson and getting your starting center for the next 4+ years. I’m not saying trade Dyson for some draft picks or some dude that will ride the bench, but use him to solidify what’s been a weak spot in our starting lineup the past 5 years.
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If he's a little Herb then why do y'all view his trade value so low?
Saying use him to get a starting center is saying his value is low? I don’t understand you bruh, if I were to say trade him for 2nds then you could say this. One of the reasons I personally would be comfortable sending out BI and Herb for Trae Young is because we have Dyson that we can start next to Trae, so you thinking I believe his value is low is completely asinine.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 6/21/24 at 3:04 pm to Soggymoss
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I don’t ever see Dyson being a main bench piece, he will always be a 7th-8th man IMO, and if he becomes anything more than that then we need to trade him anyway as we wouldn’t have room for him
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Dyson’s best role is the role of the guy you’re likening to him, and that’s Herb. A 10-13 ppg starting defensive guard. The problem is we already have Herb and don’t need a 2nd one as a 6th man, hence why Dyson will never be more than a 7th-8th man here. Don’t understand what you find so controversial about this.
Why can’t you read whole posts? Or at least stop trying to cherry pick small snippets to think you’re making an argument
Maybe because I was quoting another post before you changed your opinion 1-2 pages later hahahaha.
While also then agreeing Dyson is a mini Herb but also saying you value Hawkins as "future 6th man" while Dyson you'd "trade in a heartbeat".
Hahahaha
Throw that in with the "we have a gluttony of young bench wing players" AFTER trading BI and Dyson and this is fricking hilarious.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 6/21/24 at 3:08 pm to Dantheman504
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you value Hawkins as "future 6th man"
Yes, because as I said the best 6th men in the league are scorers first. You want a scorer as your 6th man, not a defensive guy.
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while Dyson you'd "trade in a heartbeat".
Yes, because as i have told you multiple times, Dyson here on this team is limited. What is so hard for you to understand about that? I would 100% trade a player I know I cannot use in my starting lineup or as the main bench piece for a starter. You’re not making the argument you think you’re making because you view Dyson as a starter, as I do also, just not on the Pelicans because we have Herb in that role Dyson would play already.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 6/21/24 at 3:10 pm to ghost2most
Jose has his house up for sale currently. Hopefully he’s just moving to somewhere else in the city and not being traded.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 3:10 pm to tiger_nurse
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Jose has his house up for sale currently. Hopefully he’s just moving to somewhere else in the city and not being traded.
There’s rumors him and his baby momma split so could have something to do with that.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 3:33 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Yeah, if we like Clingan, I am sure we would like Kessler. I would bet Kessler could be had at a much cheaper price in regards to assets than the #3 pick.
Giving up 3 picks for a top 3 pick in what is considered one of the worst drafts in awhile would be peak Pels
Posted on 6/21/24 at 3:44 pm to NOSHAU
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And also has a tendecy to significantly overpay for big men that do not fit with Zion.
I swear to god if we trade for Murray/Capela and he extends Capela immediately I might personally go down to NOLA and punch him in his gut.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 4:02 pm to Fun Bunch
Just spitballing. Wonder if the attempt to get to 3 for Clingan could be related to a trade with the Hawks? It is known that he Hawks are infatuated with Clingan. If we can get to #3 using 2 1sts (one being #21), maybe there is a deal to be made with Clingan for Murray? Would entail us having to unload some other salary elsewhere.
This post was edited on 6/21/24 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 6/21/24 at 4:06 pm to NOSHAU
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It is known that he Hawks are infatuated with Clingan
They’re taking him at 1 by all indications
Posted on 6/21/24 at 4:08 pm to Soggymoss
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and we damn sure can’t have Dyson in the starting 5 with Herb because we would be severely limited offensively.
Dyson and Herb looked pretty good starting together last year.
Posted on 6/21/24 at 4:09 pm to Townedrunkard
Posted on 6/21/24 at 4:14 pm to Fun Bunch
Holy shite! Breaking Megaton news!!!
Posted on 6/21/24 at 4:15 pm to supe12sta12z
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