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Nate Bjorkgren out
Posted on 6/9/21 at 10:57 am
Posted on 6/9/21 at 10:57 am
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Bjorkgren was informed today of decision to dismiss him, sources said. He met with management on Tuesday. Pacers are expected to pursue a more experienced, established head coach in this process. Bjorkgren lost locker room and much of organization in his one year as coach.
Makes it more likely Pacers move Brogdon, Turner or Sabonis imo.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 10:58 am
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 10:59 am to Soggymoss
Or the players hated him (they did) and ownership and the front office fired the coach to appease the players.
Could go either way tbh.
Props to Indy for having some balls. They actually had a better season than us, including a few head to head games where Nate outcoached SVG down the stretch, and they still did the right thing and moved on even though it’s tough to make that call after only 1 season.
Could go either way tbh.
Props to Indy for having some balls. They actually had a better season than us, including a few head to head games where Nate outcoached SVG down the stretch, and they still did the right thing and moved on even though it’s tough to make that call after only 1 season.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 11:02 am
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:00 am to Soggymoss
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Makes it more likely Pacers move Brogdon, Turner or Sabonis imo.
Less likely. The players hated his guts.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:01 am to Soggymoss
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Fat Stan lost locker room and much of organization and fan base in his one year as coach.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:02 am to Fun Bunch
You don't fire a coach after one season and not make sweeping changes throughout the organization.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:07 am to Soggymoss
FYI, WOJ just posted the opposite: If they had gone rebuild they may have kept Bjork.
But they feel like they are a playoff team and the players just hated him.
They aren't making huge changes it doesn't seem.
They will likely hire a "player's coach".
But they feel like they are a playoff team and the players just hated him.
They aren't making huge changes it doesn't seem.
They will likely hire a "player's coach".
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:10 am to Fun Bunch
quote:Never was sure why Pels Talk was so certain that Indy was going to rebuild and move Brogdon and/or Sabonis.
FYI, WOJ just posted the opposite: If they had gone rebuild they may have kept Bjork.
But they feel like they are a playoff team and the players just hated him.
They aren't making huge changes it doesn't seem.
Maybe it still happens(seems doubtful) just not sure why it was ever posted as a given for a while like it has been.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:11 am to shel311
Because its probably what they SHOULD do. Even with a good coach they are likely capped out at a 1st Round team. MAYBE some 2nd round sweeps here and there.
But looks like they take another swing at it with a different coach.
But looks like they take another swing at it with a different coach.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:13 am to Fun Bunch
Blah, sounds like they are going to run it back with the current team and hire someone who can relate to the players more. Plus they only had about half of their starters available most of the year.
They could still try to make moves to get out of the tax….and I’m not sure they will continue with the Turner/Sabonis tandem.
They could still try to make moves to get out of the tax….and I’m not sure they will continue with the Turner/Sabonis tandem.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 11:15 am
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:23 am to Fun Bunch
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Even with a good coach they are likely capped out at a 1st Round team. MAYBE some 2nd round sweeps here and there.
Man, that would be nice
Posted on 6/9/21 at 11:34 am to shel311
They have a lot of redundancy and won’t go into the tax. I can see shaking one of Brogdon/Sabonis loose, but both always seemed like a pipe dream. Still, they don’t have to move anyone if they’re ok letting guys like McConnell go, so you’d be paying a premium for either if you got them.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 11:35 am
Posted on 6/9/21 at 12:15 pm to TigerinATL
I don't think they move anybody. Just add another body or two and go with who they got. It should be a solid team next year. No need to panic. They were killed by injuries..
Posted on 6/9/21 at 12:43 pm to Soggymoss
wish griff would do the same but he's gonna go down swinging with fatty
Posted on 6/9/21 at 12:58 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
FYI, WOJ just posted the opposite: If they had gone rebuild they may have kept Bjork.
But they feel like they are a playoff team and the players just hated him.
They aren't making huge changes it doesn't seem.
i would agree.
kudos for them for making this move. Wish we had the balls to do it. Nate at least had the excuse of injuries all year as to why they didn't win, even though it's evident the players hated him. We sucked and we were the healthiest team in the league until Hart went down, 2/3 of the way into the season.
Brogdon missed 16 games
Oladipo/Levert missed 28 games
Turner missed 25 games
TJ Warren missed pretty much the whole season, playing only 4 games.
That Indiana team isn't a championship contender, but they can easily win a playoff series or two, and knock on the door of 50 wins regularly.
You'll see them win 48 games next year with a new coach, and minimal changes to the roster, while we start the season off hovering around .500, again and fire SVG around January when we go on a skid of losing 8 of 10 and are 16-24, and waste another year of Zion development and playoff experience.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 1:14 pm to Fun Bunch
They should absolutely rebuild or at the very least ge shopping Brogdon. Indy is a small market just like us. We get one chance with star players while they are young and on a rookie deal to contend and that’s it. They will never be a huge free agent destination just like we will never be so you have to make your run hoping you can string together a few good young prospects to contend. Brogdon will be 29 in December and I’m sure they would like not only draft assets to play with 25 year old Sabonis but the salary relief of unloading his contract as well. They will soon have to make a call on giving Sabonis a max deal or trade him.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 1:23 pm to LSUJD_04
This makes no sense. It's not Championship or bust for the vast majority or teams in the league. The Pacers have had one sub .400 record in over 20 seasons and make the playoffs almost every year. It's a solid consistent team with strong organizational direction. They aren't going to bottom out and send away all their top talent..
Posted on 6/9/21 at 1:27 pm to LSUJD_04
1. Indiana has always been content with just competing. That's not going to change anytime soon.
2. Sabonis is already extended and it's a very team friendly contract.
2. Sabonis is already extended and it's a very team friendly contract.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 6/9/21 at 1:30 pm to LSUJD_04
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Indy is a small market just like us. We get one chance with star players
They don't care. Even after they got the new TV deal money, which completely changed the economics for small market teams and should allow rebuilding years to be profitable, they still kept operating and team building with a playoffs or bust mentality. It's what their owner wants for whatever reason.
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2. Sabonis is already extended and it's a very team friendly contract.
Brogdon is who I think you can possibly get. He's their most expensive player, they have a ton of wings/guards, and he was signed as a FA, so they don't have as much invested in him as they would if he were someone they drafted and developed.
The problem is Bledsoe for Brogdon doesn't save them that much. You'd almost need to bring in a 3rd team with cap space to make a Bledsoe + stuff for Brogdon attractive.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 6/9/21 at 1:32 pm to TigerinATL
They are content with just being a borderline playoff team/1st round team every year.
But at SOME point, its not sustainable.
But at SOME point, its not sustainable.
Posted on 6/9/21 at 1:34 pm to Soggymoss
quote:if anything it means they’re keeping their guys and getting them a coach more suited for vets
Makes it more likely Pacers move Brogdon, Turner or Sabonis imo.
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