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re: Murray to Pels is OFFICIALLY OFFICIAL
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:54 pm to spaghettioeauxs
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:54 pm to spaghettioeauxs
Thinking about expansions on the Murray trade that nets us a starting 5 since the news of Jonas being a S&T is pretty much likely. Have Washington S&T Tyus Jones to us for the same deal Jonas is getting, take Capella off Hawks hands and in return we get top 4 protection on the Lakers pick.
Hawks: Nance, Dyson, Huerter, EJ, 2025 Lakers pick(top 4 protected), worst of Pels/Bucks pick in 2027
Wizards: Jonas S&T, 2030 2nd from Pels
Kings: Ingram, Jose
Pels: Murray, Capella, Tyus, Barnes, 2026 Kings swap, 2027 Kings 1st, 28 Kings swap, 29 Kings 1st
That nets us the starting 5, starting and backup PG, backup PF, and 2 future picks and swaps from a historically bad team. We just need to replace Jose and bring back Zeller.
Murray/Tyus/?
Herb/CJ/Ryan
Trey/Hawk/Reeves
Zion/Barnes/JRE
Capella/Missi/Zeller
Another advantage to this is if Cleveland decides to trade Allen later in the year, we could send Capella and picks and suck right under the tax. This is assuming that guys like Allen and Kessler are just off the board right now
Hawks: Nance, Dyson, Huerter, EJ, 2025 Lakers pick(top 4 protected), worst of Pels/Bucks pick in 2027
Wizards: Jonas S&T, 2030 2nd from Pels
Kings: Ingram, Jose
Pels: Murray, Capella, Tyus, Barnes, 2026 Kings swap, 2027 Kings 1st, 28 Kings swap, 29 Kings 1st
That nets us the starting 5, starting and backup PG, backup PF, and 2 future picks and swaps from a historically bad team. We just need to replace Jose and bring back Zeller.
Murray/Tyus/?
Herb/CJ/Ryan
Trey/Hawk/Reeves
Zion/Barnes/JRE
Capella/Missi/Zeller
Another advantage to this is if Cleveland decides to trade Allen later in the year, we could send Capella and picks and suck right under the tax. This is assuming that guys like Allen and Kessler are just off the board right now
This post was edited on 7/1/24 at 5:03 pm
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Posted on 7/1/24 at 5:04 pm to Soggymoss
Goga resigned with Magic. Maybe WCJ on the move??
Posted on 7/2/24 at 12:24 pm to Pels_Yaz
When do we think this BI trade might happen?
Are there any salary dates holding anything back from happening any day?
The more time passes the more I’m getting nervous.
Are there any salary dates holding anything back from happening any day?
The more time passes the more I’m getting nervous.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 12:28 pm to IronJohn
July 6th is the real start of the new season and books. It’s a date to keep in mind as I assume the Hawks and Pels will want to finalize the Murray deal and have their press conferences. That will eliminate the “expanding the deal” possibilities, though certainly does not mean BI deal has to be done. Just a bit more complicated maybe.
Also be aware that July 4th is a holiday and holiday weekend. Not crazy to think teams will want to have much wrapped up by end of business tomorrow and largely shutting down for rest of week prior to new season starting.
Also be aware that July 4th is a holiday and holiday weekend. Not crazy to think teams will want to have much wrapped up by end of business tomorrow and largely shutting down for rest of week prior to new season starting.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 12:43 pm to IronJohn
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When do we think this BI trade might happen?
I don’t think he’s getting traded.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 12:47 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I don’t think he’s getting traded.
He is. They’re not going with this group and starting Missi at center.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 1:00 pm to Pels_Yaz
There's a lot of interest in Lauri right now, I would think BI might be behind him in interest, so what happens to Lauri might need to be decided before we get resolution on BI.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 1:01 pm to TigerinATL
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There's a lot of interest in Lauri right now, I would think BI might be behind him in interest, so what happens to Lauri might need to be decided before we get resolution on BI.
Agreed. I think Griff has something lined up and probably has a July 6th deadline for it. They’re just waiting on dominoes to fall. Which makes the only logical sense in not even trying to sign a center.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 1:11 pm to TigerinATL
If we dont get Lauri by trading BI, then I dont' see us trading him.
We aren't trading him unless we get back a really good player. He's not being traded for 2 mediocre bench players and a 1st or 2.
We aren't trading him unless we get back a really good player. He's not being traded for 2 mediocre bench players and a 1st or 2.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 1:13 pm to TeddyPadillac
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If we dont get Lauri by trading BI, then I dont' see us trading him. We aren't trading him unless we get back a really good player. He's not being traded for 2 mediocre bench players and a 1st or 2.
I disagree on this. We may get back WCJ, Kessler or some other guys that could start at center. And draft capital to be used later on. I don’t think its Lauri or bust. Again Griff wouldn’t let all these other centers sign elsewhere in free agency if that was the case.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 1:15 pm to Pels_Yaz
and i don't think Griff is letting BI go without getting someone good back. trading him for future picks isn't what they have in mind.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 1:17 pm to TeddyPadillac
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and i don't think Griff is letting BI go without getting someone good back. trading him for future picks isn't what they have in mind.
Yeah but those picks can be flipped. Everything is not a one way transaction.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 1:30 pm to Pels_Yaz
And i dont think they want to do that.
The optics of just getting back some future picks for BI is what Griff wants to avoid. He needs to bring back a good player. If he doesn't, he literally has nothign left from the AD trade, and nothing to show for it.
It's the same reason ATL would'nt deal Murray at the deadline. They weren't going to let him go for less than what they paid for him.
The optics of just getting back some future picks for BI is what Griff wants to avoid. He needs to bring back a good player. If he doesn't, he literally has nothign left from the AD trade, and nothing to show for it.
It's the same reason ATL would'nt deal Murray at the deadline. They weren't going to let him go for less than what they paid for him.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 1:33 pm to TeddyPadillac
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And i dont think they want to do that. The optics of just getting back some future picks for BI is what Griff wants to avoid. He needs to bring back a good player. If he doesn't, he literally has nothign left from the AD trade, and nothing to show for it.
But you know whats worse than that? Signing him to an extension hes not happy with, bringing him back to a team he doesn’t really fit anymore and coaches hes had issues with in how hes used.
Lets look at reality. They’re not going into the season with this roster as is. The only way that changes is some trade for BI.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 1:58 pm to Pels_Yaz
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But you know whats worse than that? Signing him to an extension hes not happy with, bringing him back to a team he doesn’t really fit anymore and coaches hes had issues with in how hes used.
I do'nt disagree.
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Lets look at reality. They’re not going into the season with this roster as is. The only way that changes is some trade for BI.
I would agree, but we are heading towards a shitty situation.
and while i dont think Griff wants to trade BI for picks and crap, that's looking like what will happen.
and i say that he wants/needs to get back a good piece, that piece kind of has to be a center, b/c with Murray/Herb/CJ/Zion starting, and Trey needing to start, how he's going to bring back another good player if that players will come off the bench as a wing?
This post was edited on 7/2/24 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:14 pm to TeddyPadillac
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and i say that he wants/needs to get back a good piece, that piece kind of has to be a center, b/c with Murray/Herb/CJ/Zion starting, and Trey needing to start, how he's going to bring back another good player if that players will come off the bench as a wing?
My argument would be how do you use BI to have the best team possible and have assets to keep improving rather than having to only get a star back in return. Also I think the whole Trey starting thing is really between him and CJ.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:27 pm to Pels_Yaz
what i think, and obviously this is just my opinion, but i think they envision a closing lineup of Murray/CJ/Herb/Trey/Zion going forward, and they are simply looking at cheap options at the 5.
and i'm kind of ok with that if that is the play.
You could send BI to the Kings and bring back Huerter and Barnes, and then bring in Kessler into the TPE of Kira. fill out the roster with Missi and minimums.
One thing i think most of us haven't paid attention to at the moment is that assuming we trade BI, we will only have 5 playoff players on our team, Jose, and Hawkins. While i don't want to trade BI for depth, we almost have to.
and i'm kind of ok with that if that is the play.
You could send BI to the Kings and bring back Huerter and Barnes, and then bring in Kessler into the TPE of Kira. fill out the roster with Missi and minimums.
One thing i think most of us haven't paid attention to at the moment is that assuming we trade BI, we will only have 5 playoff players on our team, Jose, and Hawkins. While i don't want to trade BI for depth, we almost have to.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 2:54 pm to TeddyPadillac
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they envision a closing lineup of Murray/CJ/Herb/Trey/Zion going forward
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You could send BI to the Kings and bring back Huerter and Barnes, and then bring in Kessler into the TPE
If you are bringing back Barnes, I think he should be in closing lineups…
No offense to CJ, but he is a liability at the end of the game more times than not. This lineup still gives you solid catch and shoot players, along with defense and rebounding.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 3:15 pm to TechTiger
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No offense to CJ, but he is a liability at the end of the game more times than not. This lineup still gives you solid catch and shoot players, along with defense and rebounding.
that's what i've been saying for weeks.
Barnes is the kind of PF we need to close with Zion/Trey/Herb/Murray. Ideally you'd like Trey clone, and Barnes is close to that, so was Tobias. PG would have been the ideal candidate. Cam Johnson too if the Nets don't care anymore.
Posted on 7/2/24 at 3:23 pm to TeddyPadillac
Reppin the Pels training gear already…
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