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re: Murray to Pels is OFFICIALLY OFFICIAL
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:07 pm to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:07 pm to whatiknowsofar
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And none of them are as good as CJ was last year.
Malik Monk was as good if not better and he came off the bench.
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Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:15 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Malik Monk was as good if not better
Monk shot 35% from 3 and avg 15 pts CJ shot 42% from 3 and avg 20 pts.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:28 pm to Jar_Jar_80
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Monk shot 35% from 3 and avg 15 pts CJ shot 42% from 3 and avg 20 pts.
And thats true but that kings team functioned better with monk coming off the bench. I said this before, we need to do whats best for the team and not CJ. If the lineup difference isn’t that big of a difference- let CJ start but if there just is a substantial difference with Trey in the starting lineup we should start that lineup. Maybe with Murray being on ball- the starting lineup with CJ will be fine. Who knows but if we get into the season and we’re getting out to slow starts because of that lineup- we need to do whats best for the team and not CJ.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:37 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I like CJ but as good as he is, hes not in the category of Klay, CP3 or even Westbrook. Those guys have accomplished a lot more in their careers and its not even close. Asking CJ to come off the bench shouldn’t be this big of a deal. Again if it is you trade him.
No one would disagree about those guys having better careers, but I don’t see how that matters in terms of how much playing time you get today. Some dudes at like wine, others like vinegar.
CJ’s production hasn’t dipped to any noticeable degreee; whereas all those guys have been a lot less productive over the last 2-3 years
This post was edited on 6/30/24 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:39 pm to Pels_Yaz
Monk was comparable overall, but not in terms of straight shooting.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:40 pm to Pels_Yaz
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And thats true but that kings team functioned better with monk coming off the bench.
Functioned so much better they didn't even make the playoffs.
We aren't using the Kings as a comp if they can't even make the playoffs with their formula.
There is no stat to prove Monk is even close to cj
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:40 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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CJ’s production hasn’t dipped to any noticeable degreee; whereas all those guys have been a lot less productive over the last 2-3 years
He has also changed his game completely to fit the team.
It will be a very difficult conversation to have between CJ and Trey Murphy's behalf because they both are more than deserving to start.
However, I do agree at some point you need to transition to your future core which CJ wont be apart of come as early as next offseason.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:47 pm to 50_Tiger
It depends on how this all shakes out with BI for the short term, but yeah long term Trey is going to start for us somewhere.
We also have to consider that trey is one of those position-less players, which makes minutes easier to come by when he’s not starting, and CJ is not. As long as they’re both getting starter minutes and CJ can be called our starting 2 guard everyone should be happy.
ETA: it’d be interesting to see if Trey could add another 15lbs and be a part-time small ball center. He has the length right? If his body could handle it that could be scary. I mean it’s not worth the injury risk, but our 5 situation has me daydreaming
We also have to consider that trey is one of those position-less players, which makes minutes easier to come by when he’s not starting, and CJ is not. As long as they’re both getting starter minutes and CJ can be called our starting 2 guard everyone should be happy.
ETA: it’d be interesting to see if Trey could add another 15lbs and be a part-time small ball center. He has the length right? If his body could handle it that could be scary. I mean it’s not worth the injury risk, but our 5 situation has me daydreaming
This post was edited on 6/30/24 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:49 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Functioned so much better they didn't even make the playoffs. We aren't using the Kings as a comp if they can't even make the playoffs with their formula. There is no stat to prove Monk is even close to cj
Monk missed a majority of the last month due to injury. It was a huge reason they missed the playoffs.
Trey Murphy in any kind of analysis of his impact in starting lineups shows that he should be starting. We’re also about to pay him, hes a core piece of the future, and thats also a huge factor. The question really is whats more important Trey’s progression or CJ being offended if he goes to the bench?
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:53 pm to Pels_Yaz
Well yeah, but Trey is also way better than Malik Monk.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:55 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
Posted on 6/30/24 at 12:55 pm to Pels_Yaz
Both of them should be on the court. They're high level 3pt shooters. CJ should not be going to the bench just so trey can start. They should both be on the court.
They were still behind the pelicans in the standings before that injury.
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Monk missed a majority of the last month due to injury. It was a huge reason they missed the playoffs.
They were still behind the pelicans in the standings before that injury.
This post was edited on 6/30/24 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 6/30/24 at 1:02 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Both of them should be on the court. They're high level 3pt shooters. CJ should not be going to the bench just so trey can start. They should both be on the court.
And how do you think we do that? Herb is not going to the bench and we cant start 6 players.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 1:04 pm to Pels_Yaz
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And how do you think we do that?
By bringing trey in for crunch time
Murray
CJ
Herb
Trey
Z
Ingram won't be on the team, but on the off chance he is he'll play in front of herb. Or CJ/Trey if one of them isn't hitting.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 1:07 pm to whatiknowsofar
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By bringing trey in for crunch time Murray CJ Herb Trey Z Ingram won't be on the team, but on the off chance he is he'll play in front of herb. Or CJ/Trey if one of them isn't hitting.
Don’t get me wrong I love this lineup and basically similar to what we were doing last year. But one could argue you could do the same thing with CJ- bringing him off the bench. I just don’t understand why its ok to do this with Trey but not CJ?
Posted on 6/30/24 at 1:07 pm to Pels_Yaz
I don’t think Herb or Trey care whether they start or not, they just both need 30. + minutes a night every night. CJ is just a respected vet who’s still starter quality and is head of the nbapa, he should get the nod.
CJ also deserves starter minutes when his shots falling, but when it isnt we pull him, every time. Herb and Trey can still make an impact regardless of how they’re shooting
CJ also deserves starter minutes when his shots falling, but when it isnt we pull him, every time. Herb and Trey can still make an impact regardless of how they’re shooting
Posted on 6/30/24 at 1:09 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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I don’t think Herb or Trey care whether they start or not, they just both need 30.
I can promise you both care and Trey not starting might be even brought up in contract negotiations. Young players who are competitive and play well- want to start.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 1:09 pm to Pels_Yaz
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just don’t understand why its ok to do this with Trey but not CJ?
Because CJ is a far better shot creator and distributor. In almost every facet CJ is the better player.
This post was edited on 6/30/24 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 6/30/24 at 1:12 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Because CJ is a far better shot creator and distributor. In almost every facet CJ is the better player.
But we don’t need his shot creation and distribution in the starting lineup especially with Murray and Zion. I would argue Trey is the better defender due to his length and athleticism.
This post was edited on 6/30/24 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 6/30/24 at 1:13 pm to TigerinATL
Even more reason to trade BI
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