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re: McNamara really dislikes Cousins

Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:38 am to
Posted by LSUSaintsHornets
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Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:38 am to
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Hate me now, but bookmark this post because it will be your truth in a few years when you finally are willing to put aside optimism and see reality.

I quite enjoy your content, I just think you are a touch past skepticism and into pessimism territory.
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 11:40 am
Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
5927 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:44 am to
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I'll take a stab at X -> Z. Cousins was being a whiny bitch cause he didn't have a good game/didn't get the touches he wanted. Frazier is a little tired of hearing it, has the balls to stand up to Cousins, and knows he's got the backing of the most important player on the team. Calls Cousins out for being a dick after a big team win. Cousins gets in his face cause he isn't used to pushback. They separate the two. Everyone's a little on edge that they're dealing with this shite after a good win, as we're a young team who isn't used to a) winning b) big personalities.


OK, I'll bite. While this is a good theory, a very plausible one at that, I think after last season's supposed rumblings of strife within the locker room (Eric Gordon, Ryan Anderson) they don't want to deal with it. Jrue, Frazier, et al have made it no secret that this is AD's team and Boogie, as McNamara has mentioned, wants to be "The Man" probably above winning. He might be an affable guy away from the court, but he doesn't understand team. The rest of the guys have bought into that concept it seems, but he seemingly refuses and probably will continue to seemingly refuse to do so.
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:48 am to
I wanted so bad for the Boogie trade to be the turning point for this franchise but I am not going to let hope blind me

I am not a pessimist. I am a realist. I always see the most likely outcome because I don't let hope and optimism blind me. Fans are pure hope and optimism. Which is why I seem pessimistic in comparison
Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
5927 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:53 am to
I'm starting to turn that corner, as well. I mean I still hope for the best, but I still expect the worst. I've said to my friends that I'm not sure if I make that Boogie trade in hindsight. Chemistry was there, the team was gelling. I mean we had our first 3 game road winning in streak for the first time in like 5 years or something just before the ASB.

Hindsight is 20/20, of course. I do think AD needs to be involved in whatever dealings. If he thinks that Boogie is becoming an issue and won't change and is OK with the move then you do it especially if it's for a Brandon Ingram and Larry Nance.
Posted by Cheesy Beaver
Kenna brah
Member since Dec 2014
4424 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:54 am to
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Exactly Gyno, that is solid evidence that doesn't give any backbone to the point I'm trying to make. So I will continue to use my only Trump card and tell all of you to go searching for information that doesn't exist while I sit on my high horse laughing at you "simpletons" because you can't find something that never existed in the first place.


FIFY
Posted by LSUSaintsHornets
Based Pelican
Member since Feb 2008
7309 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:54 am to
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I wanted so bad for the Boogie trade to be the turning point for this franchise but I am not going to let hope blind me

I agree but I don't think we are to a point where we can make that determination. I think the fans expected too much too soon. I think 15 games into next season we will know everything we need to.
Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
5927 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:56 am to
I think the time to make a move with him in this offseason when his value is higher. Optically, he's been a model citizen with this franchise. Obviously, that's not entirely the case, but that's the sell you make to unload him and become someone else's problem. Sacto didn't do that so they "settled" for our deal.

Ingram, Mozgov, and Nance would be a coup IMO
Posted by Zach Lee To Amp Hill
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2016
4858 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:56 am to
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I wanted so bad for the Boogie trade to be the turning point for this franchise but I am not going to let hope blind me


but why if you don't care about the franchise or anything and you're just "an observer"?

and you can't honestly say that your DC/OA for BI/LN/TM trade is reasonable. yeah, purely from a basketball standpoint MAYBE it is, but Davis would rightfully throw a fit that we traded a top 15 player for an underwhelming rookie and filler
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:57 am to
So I am guessing you dummies haven even spent five minutes trying to find out the truth, huh? Classic.

It honestly wouldn't even be that hard but whatever. You guys finally found out he Kaman and Gordon stuff two years after I hinted at it. Maybe it will only take you 18 months this time!!!
Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
5927 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:58 am to
I think you are overthinking AD's view on this. AD merely wanted a guy that'll bang down low so he doesn't have to play the 5 all game. Getting his "friend" was just lagniappe. I think if you get another guy willing to do the dirty work which both Nance and Mozgov are willing to do then he'll be OK with it.

My only issue is Mozgov's health versus his contract status. I don't want another Asik situation.
Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
5927 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:01 pm to
Psh, I know I don't know anyone in the franchise, so I can only make observations and assumptions, flawed or not.

Frazier probably didn't something right while we were losing and it pissed Boogie off.

Or, if you want to go out in left field, something happened at Toast for the Coast and it left a sour taste in everyone's mouth.
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 12:02 pm
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62443 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:06 pm to
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I wanted so bad for the Boogie trade to be the turning point for this franchise


If they can pull off a trade like you proposed it still can be a turning point. That was the beauty of Vivek's gift to the Pels. The price was so low in a closed bidding process that you might be able to flip him for more if keeping him doesn't work out. While I'm intrigued with a Twin Towers build, this team is starting to do Small Ball really well.

This organization (Saints included) has often shied away from guys that are potential locker room problems, and is not afraid to dump guys that become problems. If AD is ok with flipping Cousins and there's a good offer on the table you do it. And the Lakers are the perfect mark. Magic got his job because the last guy didn't land Cousins AND they probably feel at least 80% certain Paul George is coming to them in a few years making Ingram expendable.
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
4946 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:06 pm to
You guys are just making up stuff to be upset over. We've won 4 of 5 thanks mostly in part to our role players finally stepping up, which we've been waiting on all year, and your focus is on some small argument between two grown men. 4 out of the last 5 big wins and we've been super competitive ever since that loss to the mavs a month ago, but all we can talk about is blowing it all up because of an argument and a phantom backhanded comment. The team is getting better and you're still wallowing in self pity.
Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
5927 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:10 pm to
As an example, a "small argument" between two players just led to a trade of a stud WR from the Saints. Small arguments tend to turn into big ones from certain people which fits Boogie's MO. So, no, phantom things to be upset over aren't happening here. It's an understanding of how this franchise (Saints and Pels alike) works.
Posted by JayJay2
cane sweeeeeeet tea, Luzianne
Member since Jul 2010
15367 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:13 pm to
Umm A didn't lead to B. Cooks wanted to bounce and be the premiere player but whatever.
Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
5927 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:14 pm to
It's part of the equation though. It's where it started. It may not have led to B but it sure did led to Z IMO.
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
12924 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:14 pm to
One of the reasons I buy some of the theories: Gentry looks completely in over his head when it comes to Cousins. Not only in scheme but also in personality. At one point when he pulled Cousins out last night he was explaining to him why he took him out. This is unique as most players go straight to the assistants to talk about game flow as it's going on. If we refuse to get a new coach, Demps might have royally fricked up putting oil and water together and expecting it to work.

We need a coach that can manage his personality and command his respect. I hated Monty the coach, but his personality is the type id look towards with a more modern feel for the game to compliment it. Like it or not, Demps added this wrinkle to being successful when he traded for Cousins.

As far as realism vs optimism goes, people aren't geniuses for saying "hey look, we suck and we're probably going to continue to suck." We've had one playoff series win in the last 10 years. No shite we suck and are probably diseased at the core. We HAVE to hope for Cousins to work out as we finally did something to put us on the map talent wise. Because we don't want to walk around grumpy reminding people how much the team sucks every day doesn't make us inferior to the people that do. Crewz has done nothing to distance himself from the other journalists around here. He picks the lowest hanging fruit and makes it a HOT TAKE. Our problem is being owned by a 90 year old losing touch with reality. Our problem is Cousins not fitting in. HOT TAKES. You notice he won't touch coaching as its not quantifiable. Just mostly a coward in his approach who keeps trying to tell himself and everyone else otherwise.
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
4946 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:22 pm to
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a "small argument" between two players just led to a trade of a stud WR from the Saints.

Very different situation. Cooks was expendable because we have a new stud who plays his position and a coach/QB who can get the most out of late round/UDFA WR's. That simply isn't the case with the pels.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
73375 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:22 pm to
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Davis said part of leadership is understanding his numbers may dip but knowing the sacrifice is necessary for success.



quote:

Gentry mentioned AD and Boogie both will get fewer shot opportunities but it could make them better overall


how certain are you that these are digs and not them just discussing philosophy
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:23 pm to
Honestly who is being presumptive and shortsighted? the people that are looking at this situation, who see a player coming into a new system, post allstar break, who has had very little time to acclimate with his new team. Who will have few practices all the way up til seasons end. With a rotation of d-leaguers, all in an unfamiliar system with a co-star that has a lot of overlap and a coach not known for being structured and rigorous in prep and more of a system coach.

OR

the guy saying it is a failure a few weeks in.....

This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 12:26 pm
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