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re: Mavs are betting favorites to land herb jones
Posted on 6/1/25 at 8:31 am to brmark70816
Posted on 6/1/25 at 8:31 am to brmark70816
quote:I really have to wonder if you even understand basketball. Thunder could easily get a 1st for Dort, probably more. Comparing Jones to Alvarado is laughable.
They might not even get a 1st for him. But we believe we'll get multiple 1sts for Jones? It doesn't make sense.
Jones is a 2 deep guy, like 8th or 9th for a contender. He's a lot like Alvarado.
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 8:33 am to 3PieceSpicy
quote:But we do not have Paul George demanding to go play with his friend and a team willing to give up the farm to get him.
But the only way I see out of this situation is committing to what the Thunder did several years ago.
Posted on 6/1/25 at 9:12 am to brmark70816
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Jones is a 2 deep guy, like 8th or 9th for a contender. He's a lot like Alvarado. I want to keep both. But if either are playing major minutes, we aren't very good.
LMAO
Posted on 6/1/25 at 11:23 am to DallasTiger45
Umm...maybe wait and see what Dallas might offer, based on their last trade.
Posted on 6/1/25 at 1:15 pm to NOSHAU
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really have to wonder if you even understand basketball. Thunder could easily get a 1st for Dort, probably more.
You provide no proof to back that claim. Who would give them multiple 1sts? Or even a good 1st?
Dort is a finishing piece. A connector, like Jones. They thrive in structured systems as role players and designated defenders. It's not an insult. They are just limited and not strong starters. But they are valuable and can put a team over.
I'm not looking to trade Jones. But everybody is on the table for me. So I'd be listening to offers.
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Comparing Jones to Alvarado is laughable.
Why? Alvarado is an exciting player and incredibly popular locally. I'm sure people are loyal to him and do not want to trade him either. Did you miss that point?
Posted on 6/1/25 at 1:20 pm to brmark70816
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not strong starters.
They're strong starters. They just aren't superstars.
They are who you want to surround your stars with because most teams have 2 guys. Rarely a third anymore.
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I'm not looking to trade Jones. But everybody is on the table for me. So I'd be listening to offers.
Has to be worth it. Some late 1st isn't what you trade him for. Not with that contract. It's value for what he offers.
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Alvarado
Is and will be run off in too end playoff play. Not the case for Jones
Posted on 6/1/25 at 8:16 pm to Ryan3232
I agree. It’s hard to be optimistic but I am a pelican fan lol. CJ Is expiring. We able to draft well. Trey becomes consistent and able to dribble, Dejounte returns to form, and Zion actually cares about basketball with new management
This post was edited on 6/1/25 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 6/1/25 at 10:17 pm to bobBoxer
Time to trade Herb was last offseason. Coukd have opened up more minutes for what will end up being the superior player in DD and got a nice haul in return.
Instead we sold low on DD and Herbs value isn’t as high as last year and now you dont have a ready made replacement in place. So we are fricked now.
Instead we sold low on DD and Herbs value isn’t as high as last year and now you dont have a ready made replacement in place. So we are fricked now.
This post was edited on 6/1/25 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 6/2/25 at 11:29 am to bobBoxer
he's about the only guy with any sort of real value on our squad right now... that being said, i'd love for us to build around him, Murphy and Missi... that should be our core, going forward
Posted on 6/2/25 at 11:44 am to bobBoxer
What in the H E Double Hockey Sticks are we talking about trading Herb. This internets maddness has got to stop. Herb is basically the Thompson Twins, and Pels have him on a very good contract. Folks want to get rid of him for the 3 point-highlight internets darling of the moment that pairs well with their out of shape superstar who is never available ... ugh. That formula is not how you win.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 11:50 am to Pistol44
quote:we aren’t winning with him either. Might as well sell high if someone offers a package more than he’s worth
That formula is not how you win.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 12:43 pm to Macintosh
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we aren’t winning with him either
For sure, but that is not on Herb
Every contending team has a versatile defensive minded wing that soaks up winning minutes. Houston and Detroit have the Thompson twins, OKC has Dort, Pacers have Nembhard and Nesmith. I'd also say the reason NY, Minn, Denver, and the Lakers did not go any further than they did was because they didn't. You keep Herb and try to get in on the Bucks trade to add talent to the Pels.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:04 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Why is this a thing?
Did Herb or the Pels ever give any indication he might get traded?
It should always be a thing... Why do Pels fans think its normal to hold on to players on a team that is clearly not going anywhere or going in circles?
Only complete idiots and/ or people who don't care about actually winning championships think otherwise.
Why do teams that consistently contend or make the playoffs trade players? The fact that our own fans can't process or accept this just pushes the poverty franchise conversation further.
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:46 pm to Dantheman504
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It should always be a thing... Why do Pels fans think its normal to hold on to players on a team that is clearly not going anywhere or going in circles?
Then trade everyone if you don’t think this team is going anywhere.
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Only complete idiots and/ or people who don't care about actually winning championships think otherwise.
Explain this to me like I’m an idiot.
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Why do teams that consistently contend or make the playoffs trade players?
So who has OKC and Indy traded away recently? Or NYK or Boston or Denver?
Posted on 6/2/25 at 1:57 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Then trade everyone if you don’t think this team is going anywhere.
Well yeah.
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Explain this to me like I’m an idiot.
The goal is to win a championship, if that seems unobtainable then you keep making changes until you do.
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So who has OKC and Indy traded away recently? Or NYK or Boston or Denver?
Several of those teams were already better than us and ADDED players. We can't add players because the already expensive players we have aren't getting the job done. That's more reason to make a change and insane to run it back or hold on to players.
Those teams took a step forward. Other teams have to take a step back to take a step forward. Not sure which path we would take if we let go of Zion, Herb, etc but it would atleast be a path.
Boston won a championship and is about to trade already 1 of their big name players. The Cavs are definitely going to trade one of their players. That's (2) contenders that will make upgrades and trade away good players to change things up.
But our fans want to gatekeep guys like Jose because they think he's important or guys like Herb who have no real impact on a losing team.
This post was edited on 6/2/25 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 6/2/25 at 3:03 pm to Dantheman504
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Boston won a championship and is about to trade already 1 of their big name players. The Cavs are definitely going to trade one of their players. That's (2) contenders that will make upgrades and trade away good players to change things up.
Both those teams have 2025-2026 2nd apron/luxury tax issues that we don’t have. The Celtics almost assuredly will not be upgrading, either. They will either dump Porzingis or maybe get 3 quarters on the dollar for Jrue.
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But our fans want to gatekeep guys like Jose because they think he's important or guys like Herb who have no real impact on a losing team.
I would like to keep Jose but understand if he’s traded as part of a package. He’s a good bench player but not indispensable
Your Herb comment doesn’t make much sense to me. Why don’t we want to keep guys who are relatively young and good unless we are dead set on tanking (which I don’t think we’re going to do)
Posted on 6/2/25 at 3:33 pm to DallasTiger45
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Your Herb comment doesn’t make much sense to me. Why don’t we want to keep guys who are relatively young and good unless we are dead set on tanking (which I don’t think we’re going to do)
I agree with you.
Herb will be 27 at start of this season, so his prime is now. He would be one of the oldest players on the Thunder.
Posted on 6/3/25 at 12:46 am to brmark70816
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You provide no proof to back that claim. Who would give them multiple 1sts? Or even a good 1st?
All you need is NYK, who gave up 5!!! , a swap and one 2nd.
Yes, he was borderline All-star in Brooklyn and scores more than Herb/Dort, but you can easily trade them for 2-3 1st round picks to a desperate team.
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